Please remove random purchase timer!

[MaybeOliverB]

That pretty much did happen, yes. The one exception is selling to people who already own a home, and so can bypass the timer. But that's a much, much smaller market.

The one living in a fantasy seems to be you, my friend ~.^

Much smaller market? You have your first time house owners fight in the goblet to acquire their first plot and the they end up paying an other player to get out of that hell hole all the time. Once again, nothing's changed for sellers. And as I said above, FC house trading as been a thing since 2.2...

[Penthea]

I would also like to see an implementation that does not involved any form of RNG. I would hope that it would not just turn into an auction type system though. As all that would do is allow the super rich players to control the housing market. Would you have any ideas for a non-rng solution Penthea?

Instanced housing. Currently only the interior of houses are instanced. If the outside was as well we would have no need for wards, which would mean there would be no limitation on the amount of houses in the game. This is how most mmorpgs tackle housing. But I think if SE were interested in doing that we would have it by now. There are of course a multitude of ways to make the ward system better, but better does not mean ideal. As long as there are a limited amount of plots, someone will always be unfairly left out.

Personally I'd love to see something I like to call micro-wards. You buy a little instance that has a huge plot of land and in it you can build as many houses as the land will fit. That way you can create your own little neighbourhood whether you like to hoard houses, want your characters to live together, live near a bunch of friends, or make a neighbourhood with your fc. I feel this would be the best of both worlds. We would have what people like about wards, but with the benefits of instanced housing.

I don't know if you're aware, but there will be data centre splits along with the introduction of world visiting sometime between now and Shadowbringers. World visiting means you will be able to visit any server on your data centre as much as you like. What this means for someone like you is you could change your home server to a lower population server, buy a house, but still visit your old server and hang out with any friends you left behind as long as they're on the same data centre. You can only buy houses on your home server. There will be free transfers when this feature is launched. This is how the NA data centres will be split.

If anyone plans on doing the above I advise that you start preparing now. Figure out what servers are most likely to have plots available, make note of wards or subdivisions you think you would have a good chance, and have enough gil to buy any class of plot of your desired house size so you won't be blocked by being short something small like 200k gil.

I'd be interested in where you get the data to make the assertion that it's negligible, of course that would be covered under looking at the impact of them... you know... what I suggested.

Take what that poster says with a grain of salt. He often makes very bold claims that he cannot back up. He has a strong distaste for changing the current system because he currently benefits from how broken it is. If his claim of having 27 ungrandfathered plots is true.

[Brynne]

Personally I'd love to see something I like to call micro-wards. You buy a little instance that has a huge plot of land and in it you can build as many houses as the land will fit. That way you can create your own little neighbourhood whether you like to hoard houses, want your characters to live together, live near a bunch of friends, or make a neighbourhood with your fc. I feel this would be the best of both worlds. We would have what people like about wards, but with the benefits of instanced housing.

I've thought about this kind of idea a few times and really like it as it offers the best of both worlds. I'm guessing it's outside of the scope of what SE is willing to do with housing considering how little they seem to want to throw at the current problem, but it would be amazing if they offered something like this. I'm still holding out hope for something instanced and unlimited with the hinted-at Ishgard housing, but I'm kind of doubting we'll get it at this point. It'd be nice if SE made some indication that they were aware that housing has major issues and were looking into the problem, but their silence seems to indicate that it's not high on their priority list.

[Bright-Flower]

As far as the 4.2 temporary restrictions went, even BALMUNG still had plenty of empty plots when it opeened up for player housing. Sure, I think they were probably all small plots, but myself and several others were able to pick up plots when they opened up to private purchases.

As far as the system, I wouldn't mind if a new system was added, but I can understand if SE doesn't want people selling plots directly. THey can't 100% kill this because you can still trade/sell fc houses, but not allowing new purchases at least cuts down on that. You can also sell a plot for someone to xfer into, but at least this has the benefit of the old plot being openeed up for someone to buy as a silver lining.

Yes it's luck based, but honestly, so is getting a plot at all. If they removed the timer, you would have to be lucky to scoop up a house after one gets demolished before someone else swings by. If there was a lottery system you'd have to be lucky to win it, etc.

[MaybeOliverB]

Take what that poster says with a grain of salt. He often makes very bold claims that he cannot back up. He has a strong distaste for changing the current system because he currently benefits from how broken it is. If his claim of having 27 ungrandfathered plots is true.

Struck a cord haven't I? Funny how you're still reading despite publicly mentioning that you blocked me to avoid digging your hole deeper than it already was.

Let me remind fellow members that you're the one that had no idea about the housing rules here:

It appears that I had outdated info, and that SE have not publicly stated that the limitation on the purchasing of fc houses was lifted, if the information you have provided is to be believed. I bow down on this particular argument. You are correct. You can buy multiple fc plots without loopholes. I am more informed about this now. Thank you

That you got caught trying to back one of your post with false information here:

I can't even begin to count how many times in this thread I have been told about people who lovingly decorated their 3/7/15/etc houses.

Show me the posts in this thread where players have come out to talk about their 3/7/15 decorated houses. They don't seem to exist

Not to mention you refused to even challenge my numbers regarding grandfathered houses on multiple occasions. Not surprising when you don't know what you're talking about.

[Penthea]

I've thought about this kind of idea a few times and really like it as it offers the best of both worlds. I'm guessing it's outside of the scope of what SE is willing to do with housing considering how little they seem to want to throw at the current problem, but it would be amazing if they offered something like this. I'm still holding out hope for something instanced and unlimited with the hinted-at Ishgard housing, but I'm kind of doubting we'll get it at this point. It'd be nice if SE made some indication that they were aware that housing has major issues and were looking into the problem, but their silence seems to indicate that it's not high on their priority list.

Yea I'm holding out for hope that Ishgard will have at least something new going on with it other than just housing skins and a new zone. Maybe SE will surprise us with an improved ward system. Maybe the reward for completing the rebuilding of Ishgard will be an instanced player house. Or maybe not. I'm expecting more of the same but I'm hoping for better.

[Bright-Flower]

Yea I'm holding out for hope that Ishgard will have at least something new going on with it other than just housing skins and a new zone. Maybe SE will surprise us with an improved ward system. Maybe the reward for completing the rebuilding of Ishgard will be an instanced player house. Or maybe not. I'm expecting more of the same but I'm hoping for better.

I'm expecting another housing ward but I'd love it if anyone who finished the ishgard doh/dol endgame stuff could get their own instanced house separate from a ward system. It's just a question I suppose of how people would visit it, the nice thing about wards is it's easy for people to just pop in if you're holding RP events etc, if they had a system where only party members or friends could visit your ishgard house it would cut into that.

[InkstainedGwyn]

I'm expecting another housing ward but I'd love it if anyone who finished the ishgard doh/dol endgame stuff could get their own instanced house separate from a ward system. It's just a question I suppose of how people would visit it, the nice thing about wards is it's easy for people to just pop in if you're holding RP events etc, if they had a system where only party members or friends could visit your ishgard house it would cut into that.

I am pretty sure that he said it wouldn't be a housing ward, but that they were "planning something different." It was in one of the more recent live letters or interviews since the North American fan fest. So I guess we'll see?

[Gula]

I'm watching people camp the plot next to my FC home and it's a special kind of suffering. And I know for a fact several people are using macros/programs to spam it.

It's a not good system. Controller/console users don't begin to stand a chance.

[Bright-Flower]

I am pretty sure that he said it wouldn't be a housing ward, but that they were "planning something different." It was in one of the more recent live letters or interviews since the North American fan fest. So I guess we'll see?

I don't recall them saying anything specific. In fact, I don't recall them even confirming ishgard housing directly, just Yoshi P saying 'I wan to LIVE in Ishgard!' during the segment about the restoration of ishgard content. Was there an interview or something where they went into more detail?