Please don't defile BST

[Madisonlee]

It's my last hope for this game, if they ever decide to add it. I don't have an identity in XIV, and it's depressing.

In XI I was a SMN, BST, DRG, BLU main, and I had such an incredible pride and sense of ownership of those classes that it kept me in XI for years and years.

SMN is not SMN. I don't know what it is. I don't see how XIV SMN in any way resembles any iteration of SMN from any prior FF game.

Demi-Bahamut was a step in the right direction, so hopefully they continue on the route of making it more. . . summon oriented. . .just maybe? Check out a thread called "SMN's Job Identity" from Cabalabob for amazing fix ideas. (edit for link) http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...s-job-identity

DRG has no dragon. I miss my little buddy. He's why I played DRG. I let this slide and never complain about it as I am aware that the pet was something pretty unique to XI DRG, so I couldn't expect it to be repeated in XIV.

BLU is limited. Finally they add a job I identify with that looks really fun and then. . . . . they don't let me main it. Whelp *sigh*

Don't do that to BST. Just don't add it at all if you can't do it right. I love BST the most and if you turn it into a side game like BLU I won't know what to do.

I get how limited side jobs might be fun and amusing for a lot of people to play around with (for a few weeks then everyone gets bored of it) but it's a pretty big slap in the face for people who identify with those classes and can't main them.

[Grimoire-M]

SMN is about as SMN as it can get without a major pet overhaul. BST won't happen until that rework happens. So you can rest easy for the time being.

I personally thought SMN wasn't far off the mark in HW. SB got closer but SE ripped the opportunity to expand on what players did in HW out from under themselves despite thematically giving people what they wanted. I want the HW flow restored, since the current Bahamut phase is clearly a natural extension of how people used DWT back then. Then they can use the Shadowbringers levels to add more of what SMN is missing: Pet synergy.

That said BLU...could be fixed. Honestly keep hammering on the other BLU threads. I think SE will learn quickly that it really should have been a normal job from the get go. Minus the learn mechanic.

[Kalise]

DRG feels like DRG to me. But that's probably because I never played XI, so for me DRG was all about leaping attacks which XIV's DRG also uses.

SMN... Yeah... It feels like crappy WoW Warlock. "Apply DoTs > Spam weak nuke > Let this crappy pet thing wail on things". Demi-Bahamut is the closest thing to SMN so far, where you summon in a big powerful entity who has a significant effect on the battle, then goes away while you wait to resummon it. Not quite summoning a literal Primal to use an iconic skill like Diamond Dust or Hellfire, but the Demi's the closest that would make sense for a MMO (Especially with the lore regarding Primals in XIV). I still wish they'd completely scrap Egi's and re-do the class with only Demi's.

BLU... AKA "Gold Saucer Mage"... If Yoshida wakes up and listens to all the feedback being given by people across the regions, maybe it'll become a normal job with some unique quirks to give it some extra fun stuff to do as side content rather than being only side content that doesn't even have enough to justify itself existing even in that role...

If they fix BLU and the "Limited Job" role as a whole then there's a good chance that BST will be done well (Especially if it's not competing with SMN as a "Pet Class" because of changing SMN to not focus around having these stupid popotos sitting around tickling enemies all the time...). If BLU isn't fixed and they stick with making "Limited Job" mean "Dumpstered Job" then it's likely BST will end up coming in as a Limited Job and so being a pile of garbage...

[ReiMakoto]

That said BLU...could be fixed. Honestly keep hammering on the other BLU threads. I think SE will learn quickly that it really should have been a normal job from the get go. Minus the learn mechanic.

The problem with keeping the BLU threads busy is all the discussion has been had already, so theres nothing to keep the thread alive other than the occasional bump.

[Floortank]

Just because you played BST doesn't mean you get to decide how it shakes out, sorry.

And porting FFXI's BST to XIV would be impossible. BST of XI was predicated on a dangerous world full of dangerous mobs. There was no such thing as a trash mob in FFXI. XIV's world is not dangerous at all. There are no powerful pets to acquire, and no powerful enemies to fight. Everything is a trash mob. Also, there's no real environment to explore and conquer. You can teleport / fly anywhere. There's no risk, no territorial expansion that comes from eliminating mobs. You just can't do BST the way FFXI did.

That doesn't mean it shouldn't happen. I was a big fan of XI BLU, but I quite enjoy how XIV BLU shook out. I am eager to see how they do BST.

BTW, I was the first North American on my server to hit 75 Dragoon in FFXI, and I did it almost a year before anyone else. I love the job, I played the job forever, and I was known for playing the job, but I strongly do not ever want to see wyverns return to FFXIV as a Dragoon ability. Not that my experience with the job matters, but I was never happy with the design of DRG from XI, and DRG from XIV is almost everything I wanted and expected from the job.

[Madisonlee]

Just because you played BST doesn't mean you get to decide how it shakes out, sorry.

And porting FFXI's BST to XIV would be impossible. BST of XI was predicated on a dangerous world full of dangerous mobs. There was no such thing as a trash mob in FFXI. XIV's world is not dangerous at all. There are no powerful pets to acquire, and no powerful enemies to fight. Everything is a trash mob. Also, there's no real environment to explore and conquer. You can teleport / fly anywhere. There's no risk, no territorial expansion that comes from eliminating mobs. You just can't do BST the way FFXI did.

That doesn't mean it shouldn't happen. I was a big fan of XI BLU, but I quite enjoy how XIV BLU shook out. I am eager to see how they do BST.

BTW, I was the first North American on my server to hit 75 Dragoon in FFXI, and I did it almost a year before anyone else. I love the job, I played the job forever, and I was known for playing the job, but I strongly do not ever want to see wyverns return to FFXIV as a Dragoon ability. Not that my experience with the job matters, but I was never happy with the design of DRG from XI, and DRG from XIV is almost everything I wanted and expected from the job.

I didn't say to port XI's BST to XIV, and I wasn't saying to port XI's SMN over either. For SMN I just meant it seems all caster focused and not "summon" focused, therefore lacking the SMN identity in my opinion.

For BST, I simply meant don't make it a limited job, because it slaps BST mains in the face, as BLU's limited status does to BLU mains. I think it's great you enjoy it! Like it said, BLU is really fun and cool! But we can't main it, which is incredibly disappointing. I hope you see where I'm coming from. Jobs are personal to people, how would you feel if you couldn't main DRG because it was limited?

On your DRG point, I clearly said that I am aware XI's DRG was pretty much the only time DRG ever had a wyvern, so I never complain about it's iteration in XIV. I also know many people who loathed the pet in XI, and I'm happy you get to enjoy your time maining DRG more in XIV. I wish I could have that feeling with SMN or BLU.

To end, my point was to just please not make BST limited; sorry for the confusion. (oh and also don't somehow make it non-pet focused like they did to SMN lol)

[deadman1204]

ummm... this isn't ffxi. There is NOTHING cannon about any ff games, cause they all take stuff from previous games and change it.
It kinda sounds like you prefer the old one (xi) - which isn't bad. But then I want to ask, why are you playing xiv instead?

[Sylvain]

Tbh I'm pretty sure BST will be another limited job x)

[ReiMakoto]

Tbh I'm pretty sure BST will be another limited job x)

Cool, my main issue is what happens to BLU when BST and PUP are released, do all 3 of them keep getting content, will that content cannibalise each other ect. Limited Jobs in general seem like a shortsighted plan if they keep adding more of them, and will end up being more work than if they had just made the Jobs normal and would probably please a lot more people.

[Wiccan026]

I just don't really want them to invest any time in limited jobs in general because they are disappointing.

Id rather they focus energy elsewhere versus spending it on things that isnt really enjoyable.