Give the possible Eureka 5.X its own weapon, and separate Relic from it

[Jandor]

Relics had their own story while not being related that much to any content of 2.0 and 3.0. Eureka weapon have no lore at all or you have some to provide ? Because last time I checked it a weapon upgraded with junk we found around here, nothing comparable to a zodiac brave weapon or a living weapon having her own soul.

I have no idea what you're talking about with the zodiac brave and living weapon stuff, because I didn't do those grinds, because they were terrible and I hated them.

You get to experience the entire storyline of Eureka though for a fraction of the grind making a relic involves.

Coil didn't have a story mode, Alex and Omega do.
Previous relics didn't have an easy story mode, Eureka does.

The trend is obvious, where they can, they have added a separate story-line mode that requires a fraction of effort. That you can progress through the story without the relic isn't proof that the relic was put in Eureka at the last moment in order to get people running it.
As I said previously, it feels far more likely that Kriles paper thin excuse plot was what was thrown in at the last moment, so that this area hopping relic grind we go on has at least some lore behind it.

[Nariel]

Then I guess this is a better place to quote this than in my previous post :

And as I said, it sure don't show itself in-game. Since the weapon isn't mentionned once and don't get any light during the whole Eureka attraction. The only NM related to the weapon are the zuzus and its only tied by their special loot that get no lore or explanation on why Gerolt even need them, that place sealed with powerfull weapon provide no link with our relic one outside of random junk with eureka name on it poured into the weapon because magic.

"I think" is were I'd stop listening to what he have to say, I'm expecting the director to know.

I have no idea what you're talking about with the zodiac brave and living weapon stuff, because I didn't do those grinds, because they were terrible and I hated them.

You get to experience the entire storyline of Eureka though for a fraction of the grind making a relic involves.

Coil didn't have a story mode, Alex and Omega do.
Previous relics didn't have an easy story mode, Eureka does.

The trend is obvious, where they can, they have added a separate story-line mode that requires a fraction of effort. It isn't proof that the relic was put in Eureka at the last moment in order to get people running it.
As I said previously, it feels far more likely that Kriles paper thin excuse plot was what was thrown in at the last moment, so that this area hopping relic grind we go on has at least some lore behind it.

First, you don't know about the lore of the other relic but you know Eureka one is better, yeah... At least I've done Eureka before judging it.

When I chase for a relic I want lore to the relic, if I wanted Eureka lore and was ok for sacrificing brain cells for it I would have done Eureka anyway.

Not an easy story mode ? Yup doing roulette, fates and trading tomestone is so hardcore. Was it more time consuming ? Yeah sure, it the whole point of it even for this Eureka failed.

Yup, they add when they can option, you have none for the Eureka relic. You have to do Eureka and nothing else even if you hate it, if you want the relic weapon you have no other option.

Yup the whole Eureka plot is paper thin, not even a line left for the relic weapon.

[Reynhart]

And as I said, it sure don't show itself in-game. Since the weapon isn't mentionned once and don't get any light during the whole Eureka attraction.

Did you actually finish Hydatos ? Or would you dimiss any lore connection as long as it's not the central plot of Eureka, which would then makes it even less accessible for players ?

"I think" is were I'd stop listening to what he have to say, I'm expecting the director to know.

So, what we got is in line with what he thinks, but you still claim it's not a proof...because he didn't say "Simon says" ?

[Nariel]

Did you actually finish Hydatos ? Or would you dimiss any lore connection as long as it's not the central plot of Eureka, which would then makes it even less accessible for players ?

So, what we got is in line with what he thinks, but you still claim it's not a proof...because he didn't say "Simon says" ?

I do, and I still wait to seen any correlation with my own weapon, who wasn't finished and not even in my inventory. I remember killing the bad guys with a weapon that lalafell dude throw me that IS a magical weapon tied to Eureka that won't serve any purpose for the relic one.

Nha was just sayin' I'm not putting much account to "I think people..." as a valid argument, especially from the director. He sure said Eureka is the new way of doing the relic, and for the 6th time how come it don't show up in game. Why the relic is so optional in its own content if the said content exist solely for the sake of the relic ?

[Reynhart]

I do, and I still wait to seen any correlation with my own weapon, who wasn't finished and not even in my inventory.

Again, the fact that you didn't do your weapon means nothing on how its existence is tied to Eureka. This is the first time that the items you get for upgrading the weapon actually have a reason to be there and can be used to make our weapons more powerful, to the point that it gains Eureka specific properties. Nothing in the past actually have any justification. All the various inks, crystals, atmas, etc... they come out of nowhere. And that's even without the nonsense of finding tens of thousands of Allagan tomestones everywhere.

Nha was just sayin' I'm not putting much account to "I think people..." as a valid argument, especially from the director. He sure said Eureka is the new way of doing the relic, and for the 6th time how come it don't show up in game.

From what I've seen, if you seek for a definitive answer from Yoshida, you'll never have it, because that's not how he communicates. But when what he thought three years ago ends up being what we got, doesn't it bother you to adamantly claim your opposite truth ? Without any actual proof on your end ?

Why the relic is so optional in its own content if the said content exist solely for the sake of the relic ?

I already answered that. Make the relic mandatory for the story and people will whine that the relic is mandatory for the story.

[Jandor]

First, you don't know about the lore of the other relic but you know Eureka one is better, yeah... At least I've done Eureka before judging it.

I never said Eureka lore is better, nor did I make any comment about the quality of previous relics lore and story.

In fact I specifically call the Eureka story 'paper thin' and 'an excuse plot', not sure how you've arrived at the conclusion that I think it's better than story I specifically said that I've never done.

When I chase for a relic I want lore to the relic, if I wanted Eureka lore and was ok for sacrificing brain cells for it I would have done Eureka anyway.

Ok... cool.

Not an easy story mode ? Yup doing roulette, fates and trading tomestone is so hardcore. Was it more time consuming ? Yeah sure, it the whole point of it even for this Eureka failed.

Yeah, and now a less time consuming option exists for those who just want the story without the weapon.

Yup, they add when they can option, you have none for the Eureka relic. You have to do Eureka and nothing else even if you hate it, if you want the relic weapon you have no other option.

Yes, you do the relic stuff if you want the relic...

[Metalwrath]

So personally like ive stated before i hated eureka but grew to like some elements of it.The relic weapon progression is deffintly still a lot easier than ARR's.
gave the ARR relic quest a go again.Spent 2 hours grinding fates non stop for it(Seem familiar?Its one of the main things people are crying about Eureka) to only drop 1 atma crystal out of the 9 i need before i even get to endure the book phase.

I think that the best course of action in future with relic weapon is one of 2 options.
Have your non dungeon Eureka relic and your Eureka relic.This means you dont need to do Eureka to get a relic but at the same time provides a reason to do both relic weapons.

The other way is to have 2 paths to progressing the relic weapon.One being through Eureka grinding and the other through non Eureka grinding.
There is no point in arguing to devs about not making the relic weapon a grind as its the only way for them to keep the weapons hard to obtain without putting a difficulty curve on it that will lock out your casual player base.

[Astrus]

I hated Eureka and ultimately decided to skip SB's relic rather than suffer through content I don't enjoy. That said, I have no issue if they keep the relic progression tied to 5.X's Diadem/Eureka.
They just need to provide an alternative way of progression towards the relic through other content.
That way everyone wins and can pick the path they like most (or at least hate the least).

[Lacan]

I think people are just being unfair if they try to say the stories of the ARR/HW relics are better than Eureka's. Eureka has brand new areas to explore and its own lore on top of providing background to Krile. After finishing the 60 quest I was left wanting to know more about Eureka the primal too. You might not like the content itself, but to say the story was bad is just unfair.

Unless your idea of a good story is just being told to go gather things over and over until a little fairy pops out of your weapon. :v Woop-dee-do.

[Johaandr]

You have the raid weapon, the best weapon but hard to get.

Wouldnt say its hard to get but the mechanics are «hard». May take 1-8 week to get it + if u like savage content and up for a challange.
(Honestly everybody can do it if they even can be arsed.
I didnt bother doinh last tier)
You prog with mechanics and boom ur done.

While 2.0 and 3.0 Relic was grindy it wasnt hard but sure it took time.
Eureka was just grindy aswell but deals with same mechanic concept till the end + the horrible light rng.