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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalise View Post
    Then like I said, put another reward at the end. The reward doesn't have to be the Relic, unless that's the only reward with enough pull to get people to do the content.
    There's also no reason to not put the relic in there apart the very personal and thus irrelevant when considering the whole playerbase "I don't like Eureka". Despite what people claim, Relics are niche rewards, completed by a small part of the playerbase, so it makes sense to create a niche content for them. On top of that, Relics are a continuous progression system, so it also makes sense to put it in a content with several instances, instead of putting each part in completely unrelated bits of content or, like in the past, the exact strictly same content, famously ARF for each tome step.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kalise View Post
    People do normal raids all the time, even though they can get gear from tomes.
    Yes, that's because of the weekly cap on tomestones.
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    Savage has additional draw from having slightly better gear. Is slightly better gear worth grinding out Savage? Not really, unless the content of Raids was actually enjoyed.
    You're thinking backwards. You want gear, and fun will keep you motivated to obtain that gear. Not the other way round.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kalise View Post
    "I only did it because I like Eureka. But I wouldn't have done it if it didn't have the Relic"
    Oxymoron much?
    No, reading failure on your part since I said nothing about "not doing Eureka if it didn't have the relic", but only "not doing the Relic if I didn't like the method of obtaining it, i.e; Eureka".
    Quote Originally Posted by Kalise View Post
    There's no reason it has to be the Relic. Unless Eureka as content sucks so bad that it's the only way to get people to actually play it, including if they hate the content (Which is contrary to the Yoshida quote you carry in your signature)
    Like I said above, yes, there is, because they're both niche part of the game, and people heavily complained that the Relic didn't have its own content in ARR and HW. And, as I said numerous times, if you suffer though Eureka just for the relic, when it has absolutely no competitive value whatsoever, then you definitely need to re-evaluate your relation with the game.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kalise View Post
    There is only 1 Relic and only 1 item that is glamorous as the Relic per expansion.
    Well, considering Alex Savage gear was heavily popular because it was dyable compared to Alex normal gear, glamour is a concern for it too. But people obviously understood that Savage gear would require Savage Raids. Since it was announced very early that the Relic would be a Eureka weapon, the dots should have been connected…

    Or the answer is far more simple than that, and it's that people don't really care about options and would have been perfectly fine with a Eureka weapon if Eureka was fun for them. But since it's not, and a simple "I don't like Eureka" would be met with "Then don't do it", they hide themselves behind "Options and love for all players" even though not all players do the Relics.
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    Last edited by Reynhart; 03-01-2019 at 07:50 PM.
    Y: I usually compare FFXIV with a theme park, but the Forbidden Land of Eureka won’t be a place where everyone would want to go. For example, there are people who don’t want to go to horror houses because they don’t see the point in getting scared on purpose. For example, on a date, the boyfriend might want to invite the girlfriend to go the horror house, but the girlfriend just doesn’t seem to find it fun. In other words, it’s not like everyone wants to go to the horror house, but there are people who just love the adrenalin rush they get from it. Think of Eureka as something like that.