Give the possible Eureka 5.X its own weapon, and separate Relic from it

[Lacan]

Considering you can go through the entirety of Eureka without upgrading the weapon a single time or what have you? It's so obvious that they took a Diadem design, realized that in and of itself wasn't enough going by actual Diadem numbers, and then put there the biggest carrot they could find.



It'll make the place nigh unplayable once it dies down and people are basically alone in there.

I don't think that's the case. Eureka in FF III was specifically a place where you went to get the most powerful weapons in the game, and the Eureka storyline in FF XIV is literally about a primal/eikon capable of making weapons of legendary strength. It's obvious to me they built Eureka as a place to house the new relic weapon, but they didn't make it mandatory to progress so that you wouldn't be locked out of the new zones because you didn't care to make the weapon.

[LaylaTsarra]

Considering you can go through the entirety of Eureka without upgrading the weapon a single time or what have you? It's so obvious that they took a Diadem design, realized that in and of itself wasn't enough going by actual Diadem numbers, and then put there the biggest carrot they could find.

It'll make the place nigh unplayable once it dies down and people are basically alone in there.

Personally I enjoyed and am continuing to enjoy Eureka. I'm really happy with the content and should have my 4th weapon in a day or two. I'm not alone I'm sure but be that as it may people wanted more than running boring old content ad nauseum and they designed this content around relic and I'm thankful they did. The didn't add the relic to Diadem they added it to Eureka and relic wasn't added as a stick it was incorporated as a part of the design for obtaining it that was new.

Relative to whether or not it'll be playable in 5.0 I suspect it will be. They'll nerf it so it can be solo'd or played with very few people in zone in my view just like they nerfed the old relics into oblivion making them super easy to get.

Haters love to slap the Diadem label on the content but it's not Diadem.

[BillyKaplan]

The didn't add the relic to Diadem they added it to Eureka.

No, Diadem had those pink weapons. And when that wasn't enough they learned and put the relic in Eureka.
And if they designed this around the relic, I ask again - why can I go through the entire place without upgrading my weapon the once? Why can I clear, at the very least, Pagos to Hydatos without even touching my weapon?
Maybe because Eureka wasn't made for the relic hm.

running boring old content ad nauseum

People who spammed A1S until they threw up mini puddles is their own choice and fault. I got a lot of light just farming roulettes, including Mentor, and switching to the weapon whenever applicable. The older light farms you could basically do by playing the game. Eureka is mutually exclusive from anything else by virtue of being instanced.

[LaylaTsarra]

No, Eureka had those pink weapons. And when that wasn't enough they learned and put the relic in Eureka.
And if they designed this around the relic, I ask again - why can I go through the entire place without upgrading my weapon the once? Why can I clear, at the very least, Pagos to Hydatos without even touching my weapon?
Maybe because Eureka wasn't made for the relic hm.

It was made for relic. You can continue to push your line of what is the case. Have at it. It sure wasn't any different for the 3.0 relics farming tomestones until blue in the face. Didnt' need any upgraded weapons for any of it but you sure got to run the same old content you've run before over and over.

[Jandor]

No, Eureka had those pink weapons. And when that wasn't enough they learned and put the relic in Eureka.
And if they designed this around the relic, I ask again - why can I go through the entire place without upgrading my weapon the once? Why can I clear, at the very least, Pagos to Hydatos without even touching my weapon?
Maybe because Eureka wasn't made for the relic hm.

What exactly was it made for then?

You spend the overwhelming majority of your time in all the zones grinding stuff to make relics, what was going to be the point of all that?

[Crushnight]

What if relic weapon was created and upgraded like ARR/HW but could be augmented to give bonus stats to specific content e.g.

Make a weapon have basic stats primary/secondary
If you do PotD/HoH like content you can augment the weapon to have bonus + 200 main stat while doing that content
If you did Eureka like content you can augment to give it Eureka like buffs and only activates for that content
Could do same thing with Fate system, Leves small secluded stuff essentially

Now you would need to put an extra reward in to incentivise players to do everything with the weapon like a title/mount

EDIT: basically a weapon that could through effort be the best weapon for everything within an expansion

[Lacan]

I'll just be sad if eureka does completely die with 5.0. If it is dead as diadem will it become impossible to make the relic weapon? :v That's the risk of structuring content like this. I don't know if they could even adjust it to the point where people could solo it.

[Lacan]

I just have to say I had more fun making the eureka relic than I did making either the ARR or HW relic. Do you remember those awful books we had to do? All that materia we had to buy? The desynth materials? Oh god it was awful. Even if eureka was tedious in parts, at least it felt fresh most the time. The only really awful grind in there is the pagos light step.


I hope the next relic involves a romance with Gerolt though. :v

[Ilyrian]

I hope the next relic involves a romance with Gerolt though. :v

Well that would potentially speed up the process considerably.

[Ameela]

The problem with the Eureka vs farming old content for the relic thing is that by removing the necessity of doing old content for the relic you've pretty much killed most of the incentive to do it for most people.

If the relic comes only from Eureka, then what do you even do in the game once you have all classes at 70 aside from the daily expert roulette and Eureka? There's no incentive to do anything else and that makes end game really boring, especially if you happen to dislike the type of gameplay Eureka provides.