What is a "bad player" to you?

[cicatriz313]

I would like to point out that no amount of cooldowns will save if you receive no heals.

I should know, i can sit in tank stance, use Rampart, Sentinel, Hallowed Ground, Sheltron, Bulwark, and still end up dead on a mass pull or boss because of a lack of healing, heck, it's happened multiple times.

Examples include: Ravana Hard mode, get sliced to pieces due to being ignored by the healer, turns out cooldowns don't stop all damage (Except for Hallowed Ground, which only lasts 10 seconds and has a 7 minute cooldown, which doesn't help when the healers have decided that you don't need heals)

Titan Hard mode: Yeah sure buddy, don't heal the tank after Mountain Buster, i'm sure that can't possibly go wrong...wait, i ran out of HP, bugger.

The last trash pull in The Burn: damned bugs and worms end up eating my face straight trough tank stance and every CD in my arsenal whenever the healer decides to go "Nope, no heals, deeps only!" The only way to live long enough for the DPS to kill the things is to spam Clemency on myself instead of attacking, thereby removing tank DPS from the equation instead.

And plenty of other such incidents where no amount of correct cooldown management will save you from eventually running out of HP.

"Tank don't need healing, they are supposed to be invincible! Imma go ham on deeps instead! ...Tank why you die? U suck! Only bad tanks die!"

Seriously Healer? Seriously?

Acting as if infinite Hallowed Ground is a thing, my god.

And then there's the DPS and the healers themselves dropping to unavoidable raid wipe AOE's in boss fights...

What were these healers thinking anyway?

There are a lot of healers who can't handle both attacking and healing at the same time, but try it anyways because the meta says so, and in so doing get everybody killed, then start yelling at the tank for not being completely invulnerable.
But then, anecdotes count for nothing.

I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous. Ravana and titan? Those are like brain dead easy. Even synced they're meant to be bulldozed. Of course you'll die if healers don't heal but no one is saying to only dps. You're setting up an argument that doesn't exist just to knock it down. It's not "meta" to dps and heal as a healer, it's what the job is intended to do. That was made clear by job changes.

Edit: To bring more relevance to this post, a "bad" player is one who makes up excuses to not play well.

[Metalwrath]

I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous. Ravana and titan? Those are like brain dead easy. Even synced they're meant to be bulldozed. Of course you'll die if healers don't heal but no one is saying to only dps. You're setting up an argument that doesn't exist just to knock it down. It's not "meta" to dps and heal as a healer, it's what the job is intended to do. That was made clear by job changes.

Edit: To bring more relevance to this post, a "bad" player is one who makes up excuses to not play well.

Only because of lvl syncing.
You've been playing since 2013 so you'd rmember how titan hard mode was back in 2.0 and how ravana hard was at launch.Neither were made to be bulldozed through.Lvl syncing has made it this way.

[cicatriz313]

Only because of lvl syncing.
You've been playing since 2013 so you'd rmember how titan hard mode was back in 2.0 and how ravana hard was at launch.Neither were made to be bulldozed through.Lvl syncing has made it this way.

Yeah... what's your point? It's not like that guy was min ileveling those fights. My point was those fights and most fights in the game are so easy that it's not hard for healers to throw some dps out there. His point was that because he had an experience or two where healers only wanted to dps, that we shouldn't ask healers to dps which is ridiculous.

[Metalwrath]

Yeah... what's your point? It's not like that guy was min ileveling those fights. My point was those fights and most fights in the game are so easy that it's not hard for healers to throw some dps out there. His point was that because he had an experience or two where healers only wanted to dps, that we shouldn't ask healers to dps which is ridiculous.

My point was your claim that even sync they were meant to be bulldozed.This is simply not true.This was the not the original design.
Devs not forseeing how it would work at higher levels is what has led to this.
Im not defending the guy you quoted just stating that your anology of them being meant to be bulldozed is incorrect and it can still pack a punch to newer players in a party who arent over geared or lvl synced regardless on The person you questioned's personal stats.

[cicatriz313]

My point was your claim that even sync they were meant to be bulldozed.This is simply not true.This was the not the original design.
Devs not forseeing how it would work at higher levels is what has led to this.
Im not defending the guy you quoted just stating that your anology of them being meant to be bulldozed is incorrect and it can still pack a punch to newer players in a party who arent over geared or lvl synced regardless on The person you questioned's personal stats.

If you're telling me that groups are still having trouble with titan hard mode NOW, I mean come on. I honestly don't know why you responded to nitpick about a point I made that was not really the point of my post, but yes even synced, Titan HM and Ravana HM are super super easy these days. I mean MAYBE if you have 8 friends all in level 50/60 grey gear would there be a problem, but not in DF most of the time.

Edit: Also yes, I bring up healers not DPSing, but yes other roles can be bad if they play at a minimum as well. AKA tanks only using threat combos, or DPS not using AOE.

[Metalwrath]

If you're telling me that groups are still having trouble with titan hard mode NOW, I mean come on. I honestly don't know why you responded to nitpick about a point I made that was not really the point of my post, but yes even synced, Titan HM and Ravana HM are super super easy these days. I mean MAYBE if you have 8 friends all in level 50/60 grey gear would there be a problem, but not in DF most of the time.

Edit: Also yes, I bring up healers not DPSing, but yes other roles can be bad if they play at a minimum as well. AKA tanks only using threat combos, or DPS not using AOE.

I am telling you teams can struggle if they arent at the high ilvl cap,Im not trying to nitpick.Just dont assume all teams these days are going to be full of lvl synced or maximum cap ilvl 50 gear.We've seen a lot of new players migrate to the game the last few months and a lot of them deffintly are not fully kitted out in max gear.

[cicatriz313]

I am telling you teams can struggle if they arent at the high ilvl cap,Im not trying to nitpick.Just dont assume all teams these days are going to be full of lvl synced or maximum cap ilvl 50 gear.We've seen a lot of new players migrate to the game the last few months and a lot of them deffintly are not fully kitted out in max gear.

At this point in the game's lifecycle, people will almost always have a majority of ilevel synced players in a group for old content. Even if not, players are given like 110? gear at level 50 while doing the msq. I imagine the same (being given gear appropriate for 60) is true for level 60 but I have no idea. So sure, there might be a few green leaves in there, but overall they will have people overgeared who can bumrush the fights. Honestly I'm only responding to you at this point because you're still arguing the same points even though it's completely irrelevant to the topic.

[Keizerwilson]

My point was your claim that even sync they were meant to be bulldozed.This is simply not true.This was the not the original design.
Devs not forseeing how it would work at higher levels is what has led to this.
Im not defending the guy you quoted just stating that your anology of them being meant to be bulldozed is incorrect and it can still pack a punch to newer players in a party who arent over geared or lvl synced regardless on The person you questioned's personal stats.

Those fights were also designed for i55-70 gear. Lync sync now puts you at what? i120-130? It really shouldn't be an issue.

[Metalwrath]

Those fights were also designed for i55-70 gear. Lync sync now puts you at what? i120-130? It really shouldn't be an issue.

It puts you at i130 if you have that ilvl gear or above.Not if you dont.
A lot of lvl 50 new players can still be running around in the af gear which is much lower ilvl.
Considering the amount of threads are there about undergeared players its not uncommon.Im not talking about lvl 70 players all queuing here.