What is a "bad player" to you?

[Kalise]

I ran Ghimlyt earlier with three randoms and we had about 13000k group DPS.

I then ran Ghimlyt with two other members from my static (including a savage geared BiS healer) we had 21000k group DPS.

The random tank was also doing large pulls. You can do both. I'm not sure why you insist on this dichotomy of it being one or the other.

Because that's what I experience.

Some pulls I see healers having to use oGCD's and every available GCD on heals. It's kind of hard for them to be doing DPS and healing at the same time when they haven't got any spare GCD's to spend on their damage skills.

Sure, there are some dungeons that are easier than others where you can slack on healing. But it's not all of them. In my experience at least.

So I don't judge people who do focus on healing. Especially since often, those are my faster runs because more mass pulls than otherwise.

I think it's a toxic attitude to be expecting literally every healer to be a savage geared BiS healer terms of capability and gear level.

Same for expecting every tank to be able to live through everything and let the healer go ham while still mass pulling.

Yes, ideally, Healers should try and push out damage. But not every group is the same. Some take more damage, some make mistakes and get hit by things (Especially mDPS like to stand in all the yellow areas when mass pulling >.>). While some feature literally BiS geared players that make runs much easier and give much more lenience for pushing out DPS.

[cicatriz313]

It's funny how people who are defending healing only healers are making it out to be so black and white. Obviously if you're under geared it's not like people expect you to throw out tons of dps. The problem is anyone can throw out some dps period. Like some dps even helps with healing Aka Swiftcasting holy or throwing out shadowflare. You're meant to do both, that was the entire reason for them having damage scale off of kind and taking off cleric stance. The fact that people are still arguing this point is crazy to me.