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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    It also wasn't any shorter, was it?
    No of course not but that doesn't mean that it's common for instances with a zero dps healer to take two or three times longer. Such a statement is a blatant lie. Most healers do dps but most healers are not top tier savage players with BiS gear. Most healers are incapable of pulling enough dps that if they stopped the instance would take several times longer, either due to their own skill, their gear, or the pugs they're landed with demand frequent healing.

    For someone to truthfully say "when I do an instance with a low or zero dps healer, it takes two or three times as long" they would have to be playing with exceptional players all the time...or their own dps is so bad that they need even just a generic pug healer's dps to carry them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    In the case of healing, the faster things die the less you have to heal. High DPS is the numero uno damage mitigation tool in this game. It becomes really important in endgame, even just the NM encounters which are still a moderate step above dungeons, trials, and 24-man. The mechanical difficulty for NM raids and 24-man are about equal I would say, but what makes the 8-man raids more difficult is there are fewer players so reliability on everyone doing their jobs correctly is a lot tighter.

    Now lets say you don't participate in this content and just do the required duties to complete the MSQ; you don't suddenly become less of a burden to others by not utilizing your full toolkit. The other members of your group are still putting forth more effort than the heals-only healer because in order to clear the dungeon, mobs need to die and you are doing nothing to help make this happen. This is why the heals-only healer is considered being carried. Sure, without your heals they won't get very far. But think about this: How far would you make it without them?

    Team effort is present in ALL content, and there is no disputing your courtesy towards your fellow party members when you contribute to offense.
    I completely agree with all of this. I just don't agree with the idea that a zero dps healer outside of savage is automatically assumed bad regardless of their healing ability. Especially when tanks and dps are rarely scrutinised in the same manner for their lack of involvement with their secondary roles. And especially when some of these tanks and dps are the ones criticising healers for not doing enough dps. The hypocrisy drives me mad.

    I don't approve of zero dps healers. I rarely speak up when I encounter them outside of savage because a lot of people don't take kindly to criticism no matter how small, and I frankly don't want to invite drama if I don't have to. I recall saying something about it once, and it was because I died every time I got caught in The Sable Price in The Aery. However a lot of the blame is also on the other dps because their damage was low and they were slow to react.

    Context matters when judging people. If I see a zero dps healer who is healing a lot because the group demands it, and I know if I was healing I still could insert dps, I don't get annoyed. Why? Because they're clearly pumping effective numbers somewhere. If I see a zero dps healer just standing around doing nothing for ages because the group doesn't need healing, then I get annoyed. Why? Because they're doing literally nothing. I get more annoyed when someone does nothing than when someone is playing sub-optimally yet are clearly putting in effort. There's also the context as to what content you're in. I get far less annoyed about a zero dps healer in Brayflox normal than in Ala Mhigo. And if the player has a sprout or returner tag, I'll be more forgiving than usual.

    But in ex and savage I have no interest in playing with a healer who doesn't do dps during healing downtime. That content is where I reserve my harshest judgement because it demands much more than just fulfilling your primary role. In casual content I'm not overly concerned about what others do as long as things die in a timely manner without incident.
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    Last edited by Penthea; 02-28-2019 at 08:24 PM.