What is a "bad player" to you?

[Keizerwilson]

I think you underestimate how much faster a dungeon will go if the healer focuses on healing and so the Tank feels safe enough to mass pull.

I can't tell you the number of times I've had to take dungeons 1 pack at a time because healer's are too busy spamming Stone/Malefic to cast even a Regen. I've literally died to a single pack of enemies because the healer would just stand there DPS'ing while my health bar dropped.

Meanwhile, when I get healers who actually heal, wall to wall pulls it is. Spam me with heals while the DPS and I spam AoE and take out 3-5 packs far, far, far faster than your pathetic healer DPS would have made single packs die.

A good healer can heal thru mass pulls, and DPS at the same time. It's not a one or another thing.

[Kalise]

A good healer can heal thru mass pulls, and DPS at the same time. It's not a one or another thing.

Well I guess I've never grouped with a good healer then. (Including my time playing as a DPS)

Since, a lot of content, especially level 50+ I see healers having to 100% spam every GCD on heals for mass pulls.

Guess everyone in the game just sucks.

Would love to play with one of the apparently "Good" healers in this thread that can somehow heal through tanks being brought to 40% health in the time it takes to cast a heal GCD after just healing to full with a heal GCD as well as have time to spam out Holy/Gravity (Which I know are long cast times because I also have all healers at max level). Would make roulettes so much easier to know that people would let tanks easily just mass pull while they spam DPS. Rather than you know, having tanks always dying whenever they try and attempt this

[Selova]

Well I guess I've never grouped with a good healer then. (Including my time playing as a DPS)

Since, a lot of content, especially level 50+ I see healers having to 100% spam every GCD on heals for mass pulls.

Guess everyone in the game just sucks.

Would love to play with one of the apparently "Good" healers in this thread that can somehow heal through tanks being brought to 40% health in the time it takes to cast a heal GCD after just healing to full with a heal GCD as well as have time to spam out Holy/Gravity (Which I know are long cast times because I also have all healers at max level). Would make roulettes so much easier to know that people would let tanks easily just mass pull while they spam DPS. Rather than you know, having tanks always dying whenever they try and attempt this

Giving your join date on the forums I'm assuming you're pretty new to this. If your healer is having to spam every healing cool down they have on trash to keep you up, It's either a) You have no idea how to juggle your cooldowns or b) You have a new/undergeared healer. I'm not saying you're a bad tank but chances are you just haven't been in a group with a good healer. White Mage has absolutely monstrous aoe damage that rivals if not beats most dps in groups, plus Holy also helps tanks mitigate damage in large trash packs since it stuns everything+assize which is another big aoe.

I literally just healed a bardam's mettle (notorious for large tank damage since trash in there hits like a truck) on my severely undergeared level 65 white mage (still in mostly ilvl 255 level 60 gear) and i had no issue keeping the tank up while blowing up large trash packs with Holy+Assize.

A healer that knows how to keep the tank up while pushing out big damage will always, ALWAYS be better than a healer that only spam heals the tank/group. That's just how it is and always has been.

[Bright-Flower]

Giving your join date on the forums I'm assuming you're pretty new to this. If your healer is having to spam every healing cool down they have on trash to keep you up, It's either a) You have no idea how to juggle your cooldowns or b) You have a new/undergeared healer. I'm not saying you're a bad tank but chances are you just haven't been in a group with a good healer. White Mage has absolutely monstrous aoe damage that rivals if not beats most dps in groups, plus Holy also helps tanks mitigate damage in large trash packs since it stuns everything+assize which is another big aoe.

I literally just healed a bardam's mettle (notorious for large tank damage since trash in there hits like a truck) on my severely undergeared level 65 white mage (still in mostly ilvl 255 level 60 gear) and i had no issue keeping the tank up while blowing up large trash packs with Holy+Assize.

A healer that knows how to keep the tank up while pushing out big damage will always, ALWAYS be better than a healer that only spam heals the tank/group. That's just how it is and always has been.

Yeah it largely depends on the tank being on the ball.

If the tank is just melting and their health plumetting in the space of one or two gcds then yeah, you probably won't squeeze in as much damage. But when a tank is geared and manages their cooldowns, it's great.

In Ghymlyt I was on my scholar alt, tank was sturdy enough that I could throw excog on him and throw up all my aoes without having to worry. (Dots + Bane, Shadowflaire and Misama 2). On some pulls the excog wouldn't have even triggered before I was done, and when it did trigger, it kept the tank up plenty long for me to follow up after applying my aoes.

If the tank had been poorly geared/not using any cd and I had to heal him every other gcd, then yeah I would have had to reel back my damage and focus more on healing. Healers contributing dps relies on the tank being sturdy enough to not have to be babysat every gcd. Of course in situations like that you get less time to dps. But when the tank IS sturdy enough, applying damage helps to end the fight faster and have the tank (and group) take less damage overall.

So while a healer should never prioritize dps to the point that people are dying because of it, when things are going well there's usually PLENTY of time to throw damage out.

[Enla]

A good healer can heal thru mass pulls, and DPS at the same time. It's not a one or another thing.

Hell at least with WHM, Holy is a part of my mass pull kit because that precious stun usually allows me set the tank up to be in a better spot if things start going south.

Then there's SCH where if I have to actually spend the majority of my time healing people during a mass pull with Eos and Excog in action, something is wrong. Our entire kit is so focused on preventing damage in the first place that if played right we have ridiculously high downtimes between heals.

I only just got AST to cap recently and haven't touched it since, so I'm less gung-ho playing it compared to the other two classes, but even there I can't think of a single instance where I shouldn't be able to DPS and mass heal with ease.