What is a "bad player" to you?

[Penthea]

I have had people in my FC who I absolutely dreaded when they asked for help, because it turned into a 2-3 times as long as necessary shitfest because they generally couldn't be bothered to give a crap and actually play. "Were healing this, yaaay, dont take damage I'm not going to cast heals"

This wouldn't be because of the absence of healer dps though. You would need an actual dps class to be truly woeful to make an instance last twice as long. Likely both dps players would have to be exceptionally bad. Or auto-attacking while afk.

Or you were dying a lot. Which again wouldn't be a healer dps issue.

The competency bar for dungeon queues requires barely a step over it, being able to take that step doesnt mean you arent still a "bad" player.

Similarly just because you aren't playing your class to its full capabilities does not mean you're bad.

In casual content a pure healer who heals well but does no dps is not a bad healer. In the context of savage this changes because it demands more than just hps from healers, however savage is but a tiny sliver of the content in the game. The vast majority of it is casual. A pure healer in casual content is serviceable. Not good, but they're enough to get the job done without much trouble.

Why is it that we so rarely see tanks getting targeted for not doing dps? I often encounter tanks who seem allergic to dropping tank stance. They just spend their time building up enmity that just gets thrown into nothingness because they long since capped it, and maintain tank stance no matter how little mobs tickle them. Or do they get a free pass because fulfilling their primary role happens to do damage?

And how about dps who act like they have zero support abilities? A lot of these are ogcds so they wouldn't even disrupt their dps. In many cases these actually directly affect healers because by giving them less to heal or more mana to spend, they can do more dps. I suppose dps classes get a free pass because they're...dps?

If we're going to call pure healers bad players because they only focus on their primary role, well then the above tanks and dps I mentioned are bad too.