What is a "bad player" to you?

[HyoMinPark]

You're not dealing with them though, you said it yourself, you're raiding and doing primals. That's content my friends don't do.

I participate in all content. More than just Savage or EX. They were, again, examples of things I do when I log in. Please actually read what I’m writing before you type out a response. I deal with lazy players even in Savage/Extreme, by the way. You’d be amazed at the things you can see in there.

But I’m not specifically talking about your friends; just lazy players in general. Of course, I don’t play with your friends—we aren’t even on the same data center.

You can call them lazy in a video game if you want, but you really have to think about that. Are you seriously calling someone playing a video game lazy?

You can still be lazy while engaging in a video game—it’s called actively not pressing your buttons.

Playing video games doesn’t necessarily equate to being lazy. You’re engaging in an activity—a hobby, if you will. Much like your friends who go out for hikes on Saturdays, late-night movies, and “drinks with the boys”. I wouldn’t call enjoying a hobby “lazy”.

I don't want to go down the road of defining what's enjoyable in a video game, but don't you think it's a bit rich of someone who only goes to school four days a week to call people who work forty hours a week lazy?

Where was I calling people who work 40 hours/week lazy? Nowhere. I was calling people who don’t want to press their buttons in video games because “it’s just a game, chill dude” lazy.

Please utilize your reading comprehension skills.

Don’t you think it’s a bit rich for you to assume that college isn’t work? I did less work at one of my own full-time jobs I worked at before I left to go back to school than I’ve done just in a semester of classes. But, by all means, please tell me more about how little work college is. College itself can be as much work as a full-time job.

I can go back and forth with you on this, but we would all just be arguing in circles.

You aren’t even arguing my points. You’re just erecting strawmen.

At the end of the day, the bad player majority will always rule in any MMO. There's no other way around it because not everyone wants to put effort into every game they play and sometimes they choose an MMO like FFXIV to just shut off. That's just how it goes.

There's plenty of people playing FFXIV because they're fans of Final Fantasy. They want to see the story and sometimes that involves having to do content where you have to deal with them. They're not MMO players, they just want to experience this entry in Final Fantasy. They don't care about rotations, OGCDs and GCDs and buffs. They just want to see the story.

That's what a majority of this forum is forgetting.

What you seem to be forgetting is that there are plenty of other players in the game that do care about the things you listed.

What makes the players who don’t care more important than those who do? Who determined that their version of fun is more important than another person’s? By someone being inherently lazy in content simply because “I don’t wanna work in a video game after working all day at my job/school”, they’re making the rest of their party work to cover their deficits. That’s disrespectful.


EDIT: Nice job deleting your post. Still going to respond to it, though.

[CarnivalNights]

I just got tired of arguing with someone in circles. Now you're just getting defensive telling me about your work experience. The conversation's taken a different direction. No for me, thank you though.

[HyoMinPark]

I just got tired of arguing with someone in circles. Now you're just getting defensive telling me about your work experience. The conversation's taken a different direction. No for me, thank you though.

Nope. I’m telling you to actually read before you respond to something, because your response was so off the mark from what I wrote that it was comical.

[CarnivalNights]

Nope. I’m telling you to actually read before you respond to something, because your response was so off the mark from what I wrote that it was comical.

I'm just backing away from a conversation that's no longer interesting, sorry if you got offended enough to finally start making backhanded remarks.

[HyoMinPark]

I'm just backing away from a conversation that's no longer interesting, sorry if you got offended enough to finally start making backhanded remarks.

Not offended.