What is a "bad player" to you?

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I'll be anecdotal here (aren't we all anyway) and say I have a few RL friends that play this game.

They work 40 hours, some have college lecture afterwards, some have kids and some have to travel for business.

They play this game to tune out during their downtime and feel like a hero without having to put in too much effort. That's what those dungeons are for. Is 5 minutes really that bothersome to you? If so, why solo queue? Because that's who you're going to run into. People like my friends who only play this game minimally as a hobby make up the majority of the population. They're bad players by whatever standard you want to put, whether it's their numbers they're putting up to just healing fulltime to just grabbing single packs of mobs.

Imagine coming home after busting your tail off from work, school and you want to kick back in the easiest way possible in the game and someone tells you to put more effort in an inconsequential piece of content like a tomestone farming dungeon that has the most trivial of requirements (for a reason) to enter. I'd just laugh at them because that's what harder content is for. You don't have to accept the, "it's not savage" excuse, but that's all the excuse most people need to not go full max in something as irrelevant as a tomestone farming dungeon.

I'm not going to presume what you do outside of this game, but I work just like them, I just have the good fortune to not have to go back to school or have any kids, so I can take the time to learn this game as a hobby.

Would I ever tell them to play better? Nah, I don't have the nerve to be that incredulous over a dungeon.

I get that but on the other hand, when you queue up to play with randoms, you should be putting in an honest effort, not saying 'screw it I want to relax' and not putting the effort in. You say 'don't queue with randoms if you don't want bads' but at the same time...don't queue with randoms if you're going to slack off because you just want to take it easy. Do something solo or form a full group with friends.

I'm not saying they have to have food buffs and 100% optimal rotations and they can't make any mistakes etc, but when you're doing content with other players, you owe it to them to put in some effort. If they want to unwind and not care at all how they play in something single pleyer more power to them. You group up with people, you owe them an honest effort, not just a shrug and a 'I'm tired let me relax.'

There's a phrase I like 'my right to swing my fist ends at the other guy's nose.'

You can put in as little effort you want relaxing when on your own, but when you're grouping with other players, it's no longer about you, it's about the group, and playing poorly just because you're tired or don't have the effort means dragging other people down. You don't need to be perfect. But you really should either put fort the honest effort or else not queue with randoms.