What is a "bad player" to you?

[Shougun]

Any player who purposely leeches (your cat is destroying your room in the background is fair enough reason to have to step away for a second lol, I mean people who enter with that purpose), and anyone who demands and requires others to carry their weight. Those two overlap a bit but sometimes you have someone who's like "yeah I don't use tank stance" and they have awful gear and cannot hold aggro against a single spell and you ask for tank stance and they're like "nah just do less damage" (or insert whatever problem here, I'm not picking on tanks). Bad gear happens sometimes on accident and people can adjust a bit usually to compensate- I'm talking about something like a healer refusing to leave cleric stance back when it nerfed healing and had bad heals due to bad gear in the first place.. . . . . . Ima cry.

If someone doesn't play very well but doesn't expect others to carry them (trying to play, even if it's not great) then we're going to have a fun time struggling together, but if you're like "I died because the healer didn't heal me enough, they sux vote kick them" meanwhile they refused to dodge any aoes or didn't use any abilities beyond "1". . . yeeeh..... lol.

Now the standards go up a bit for savage/ex content but imo that's different. Bad to me is just someone who doesn't care about playing in any sense and expects others to play for them, often with a bad attitude.

Don't need to be a skilled player to be a "good" player in my mind. Nice + trying to play = I'm happy, let's play together!

[JunseiKei]

Just ran into what I'd call bad players:

Queued for Doma Castle as a Paladin and eats food buff. We get to the first boss. Takes 10 minutes to kill the first boss and I was legitimately TP starved.

[12:48 a.m.](Me) So.. you guys know how to play your classes? D: I've never had a dungeon boss take so long to kill.
[12:48 a.m.](Me) Genuinely asking.
[12:49 a.m.](Black Mage) yes i know how
[12:49 a.m.](Samurai) reported
[12:49 a.m.](Samurai) bullying
[12:49 a.m.](Me) I'm not bullying, but I am asking so I can help as another player.
[12:49 a.m.](Samurai) im gonna kill myself

Samurai proceeds to pull the Vanguard and run back to me. I grab the add and just watch what they do. Black Mage proceeds to cast only Fire III and then Blizzard when they are at about 20% MP left. Samurai is not keeping Shifu and Jinpu buffs up; only skill I've seen them put up is Higanbana (no Tenka Goken for adds, no AoE in general for 4+ enemies, and no Midare Setsugekka).

[12:52 a.m.](Me) Okay, well, just watching this last fight, the two DPS could use work. I'm going to dip out under difference of playstyle. You guys enjoy your run. :3

I ate the leaving penalty. I have no problems with teaching players how to fight properly - I did this for a tank I wind up in an expert with years ago. However, even as a mentor, I did not sign up to encourage this kind of mentality the two above showed. I gave them both a chance to ask questions and let them know I knew something was wrong. From other mentor encounters, I've forcibly accepted that if players don't ask for or want help if you offer it, you're often wasting your time.

[Aeloria]

Just ran into what I'd call bad players:

Queued for Doma Castle as a Paladin and eats food buff. We get to the first boss. Takes 10 minutes to kill the first boss and I was legitimately TP starved.

[12:48 a.m.](Me) So.. you guys know how to play your classes? D: I've never had a dungeon boss take so long to kill.
[12:48 a.m.](Me) Genuinely asking.
[12:49 a.m.](Black Mage) yes i know how
[12:49 a.m.](Samurai) reported
[12:49 a.m.](Samurai) bullying
[12:49 a.m.](Me) I'm not bullying, but I am asking so I can help as another player.
[12:49 a.m.](Samurai) im gonna kill myself

Samurai proceeds to pull the Vanguard and run back to me. I grab the add and just watch what they do. Black Mage proceeds to cast only Fire III and then Blizzard when they are at about 20% MP left. Samurai is not keeping Shifu and Jinpu buffs up; only skill I've seen them put up is Higanbana (no Tenka Goken for adds, no AoE in general for 4+ enemies, and no Midare Setsugekka).

[12:52 a.m.](Me) Okay, well, just watching this last fight, the two DPS could use work. I'm going to dip out under difference of playstyle. You guys enjoy your run. :3

I ate the leaving penalty. I have no problems with teaching players how to fight properly - I did this for a tank I wind up in an expert with years ago. However, even as a mentor, I did not sign up to encourage this kind of mentality the two above showed. I gave them both a chance to ask questions and let them know I knew something was wrong. From other mentor encounters, I've forcibly accepted that if players don't ask for or want help if you offer it, you're often wasting your time.

I had a black mage that wasn't doing any aoe in a SB leveling dungeon except that during bosses they used Thunder IV. I can only assume this is from a lack of reading tool tips. It was so frustrating, trash took so long to go down but there was only so much I could do on my rdm with scatter and enchanted moulinet(sp). They should have melted with that black mage.. I also blame SE for their naming convention on some abilities. People are in my opinion automatically assuming 4 is better than 3.. Seems logical right? Yet on the other hand players should read their tool tips. I guess i could have said something but then what last time I asked a dps to aoe they crapped all over me like i was being a jerk. So I just mostly keep silent and endure my torture. I was on an alt so was trying to clear the dungeon for aether current. yay fun. lol

I'm not the greatest player, god knows ive jacked up mechanics a few times mostly mechanics that the tell is so far on the outside of the arena that i can zoom my camera out enough to see, but holy moly i read my tool tips and try to the best of my ability to use things appropriately, pressing a GCD everytime i can and weaving in ogcd in between.

[Kaedan]

I had a black mage that wasn't doing any aoe in a SB leveling dungeon except that during bosses they used Thunder IV. I can only assume this is from a lack of reading tool tips. It was so frustrating, trash took so long to go down but there was only so much I could do on my rdm with scatter and enchanted moulinet(sp). They should have melted with that black mage.. I also blame SE for their naming convention on some abilities. People are in my opinion automatically assuming 4 is better than 3.. Seems logical right? Yet on the other hand players should read their tool tips. I guess i could have said something but then what last time I asked a dps to aoe they crapped all over me like i was being a jerk. So I just mostly keep silent and endure my torture. I was on an alt so was trying to clear the dungeon for aether current. yay fun. lol

I'm not the greatest player, god knows ive jacked up mechanics a few times mostly mechanics that the tell is so far on the outside of the arena that i can zoom my camera out enough to see, but holy moly i read my tool tips and try to the best of my ability to use things appropriately, pressing a GCD everytime i can and weaving in ogcd in between.

On that note, they should really go with the Japanese versions of spells. Fire, Fira, Firaga, etc. They've had them in English in previous FFs, no reason not to have them in FF14.

[TalithaSolarien]

On that note, they should really go with the Japanese versions of spells. Fire, Fira, Firaga, etc. They've had them in English in previous FFs, no reason not to have them in FF14.

Please do so. They actually are called that way in the German client (as they were in the old FF titles). I really don't like this Fire 1,2,3,4 nonsense.

[LordMaitreya]

Someone who doesn’t use food and or has open materia slots in their gear.

[Kaedan]

Someone who doesn’t use food and or has open materia slots in their gear.

That would really depend on the content. Unless you're doing extremes or savage, no real statistical need for materia or food.

[JunseiKei]

I just want to piggyback on this and ask the name of the MMO where you're a healer that JUST heals because I want to know where people got this weird idea you're supposed to do nothing but spam HP restoration skills. I've played; Asheron's Call, Everquest 2, Tera, Aion, Asheron's Call 2, Dungeon and Dragons Online, Neverwinter, Champions Online, Guild Wars 2, Wakfu, Ragnarok Online, Vanguard, Wildstar, Archeage, and at least a half-dozen other MMOs I've forgotten the name of. In not a single one of them was the 'healer' expecting to do nothing but heal. It's driving me insane, where is the idea that 'I play a healer I should only heal' come from!?

If you really played a healer on Ragnarok Online, then you'd know you have only ONE attack spell and that was unlocked via a quest. Otherwise, you spammed Lex Aeterna, which was a debuff that made the next attack do double damage; that's hardly the same as attacking and doing damage. You only got that if you went down a certain path in your skill tree, too. If you were a solo player leveling up a priest, you basically had to heal-bomb undead to level up. Otherwise, you'd have to build a healer that used physical attacks, which cut into your use as a healer (because a priest in WoE was most effective healing teammates and using one of the two things that'd heal a castle's crystal).

Since you mentioned Neverwinter, which is on Perfect World's arc launcher...

Forsaken World's blood tree Vampire has a buff that literally turns off the ability to attack and adds some nice buffs to your heals (like activating instantly, adding attack buffs to your heals, increased potencies, reducing heal cooldowns, etc.). A divine priest in the same game was most valuable healing and sometimes MP draining with a skill that could be used only so often.

Perfect World International, before 5APS broke the game, high-end bosses simply hit too hard to do any kind of attacking or used a ton of AoEs, or both.

From what I recall in TERA, there were tons of times a healer was kept busy, wasn't safe to attack, kiting mobs, etc to afford very little chances to attack. Maybe that changed after I stopped playing (which was when FFXIV had their third closed beta). Not to mention the damage from a healer was laughable compared to DPS classes (Berserker hitting 1m+ in damage). I know mystic had a really strong summon that lasted for a stupidly short amount of time, but otherwise, you dropped motes and had a much weaker burst heal compared to a priest.

Basically, some of the older games rewarded healing and tanking more than healing sparingly and aggro-generation sparingly. FFXIV is really the only game I've come across that has such a high impact of tanks and healers doing damage.

[Kaedan]

Don't forget FF11.

Healers in FF11 often did nothing but healing and sitting (to regen mana). Back in the day when there was no passive mana regen unless you had a Red Mage with Refresh.

[Metalwrath]

A bad player is :
Someone who tries to vote abandon or leaves after first wipe.
Someone who purposly locks themself out of a fight in 24 man raid content to get free carry.
Someone who refuses to adapt/make any effort with mechanics.
Someone who deliberatly comes into dungeons and 8man content undergeared by useing high lvl acc to offset the ilvl.
Someone who leaves instance immediatly in df the minute something difficult pops up.
Someone who deliberatly dc's in story roulette to skip cutscenes and then kills the boss before new player loads into it.
Someone who deliberatly early pulles bosses on 24 man raids and gets players locked out.
Someone who deliberatly ignores mechanics in a fight to do a bit of extra dps.
Someone who tries to devert the blame to team mates over a mechanic they failed.
Someone who tells new players they dont need to learn any job rotatiosn till level 70.
Someone who tells new players they shouldnt bother with dungeons and use POTD as their man leveling method.