What is a "bad player" to you?

[SannaR]

Oh boy another one of these threads. I feel bad for the dead turned into glue by this time horse. Let's all try and be civil now. Aww heck who am I kidding this type of thread is going to get heated and last at least for 27 pages with people going into circles on arguments.

[Gavanri]

Oh boy another one of these threads. I feel bad for the dead turned into glue by this time horse. Let's all try and be civil now. Aww heck who am I kidding this type of thread is going to get heated and last at least for 27 pages with people going into circles on arguments.

Can´t delete it even if I wanted to, sorry ;D (looked) - it might not even reach 10 pages and just die in the quick sand.

Wasn´t starting this with any bad intentions, thought it might actually help to get rid of some of the performing anxiety.

After the fourth wipe at the same boss because of my stupid mistake I usually bid my good-bye, I do feel bad about it but I´d rather get more information on what I´m doing wrong than run the boss again and again with a silently enduring group.

Communication in this game can be sorely lacking I noticed. Hey, most players don´t do those mistakes on purpose - they just don´t know better at this moment of time. The only bad player to me is a non-talking and probably trolling one.

[SannaR]

Can´t delete it even if I wanted to, sorry ;D (looked) - it might not even reach 10 pages and just die in the quick sand.

Wasn´t starting this with any bad intentions, thought it might actually help to get rid of some of the performing anxiety.

After the fourth wipe at the same boss because of my stupid mistake I usually bid my good-bye, I do feel bad about it but I´d rather get more information on what I´m doing wrong than run the boss again and again with a silently enduring group.

Communication in this game can be sorely lacking I noticed. Hey, most players don´t do those mistakes on purpose - they just don´t know better at this moment of time. The only bad player to me is a non-talking and probably trolling one.

Oh I know you probably didn't, but almost any time a what's a bad thread is made there's a split in the community that thinks anyone who feels people should listen to advice that's given nicely and have the basics of their job down pat are jerks. That even just that small amount of wanting to better one's self equates to wanting people to be able to preform at UCoB levels. While the majority I feel will label a person bad because they don't want to better themselves eve if that's just having better situational awareness or at least listen to advice instead of giving a you don't pay my sub and lul it's just a game type answers.

[Mixt]

-Has no pattern recognition skills (Keeps dying after standing in the red, completely fails to realize there is a connection.)

-No capacity or willingness to learn

-Refuses to read their tool tips

-Refuses to take responsibility for their own failures, instead blaming everyone else for wipes that they themselves cause

-Demands carries, and gets upset when refused

-Skips cutscenes in MSQ when there is a first timer (nowadays no longer possible without cheating)

-Engages in sabotage, screwing other players over for the lulz, AKA trolling

-Uses "You don't pay my sub" as an excuse

-Resorts to insults and threats when not getting their way

-Complaining that "The game is too hard!!!111!!11!" after wiping on a Guildhest or MSQ solo instance fight


Any of these things will make you a bad player in my eyes, and some of them also make you a bad person in general.

[cicatriz313]

Surprising amount of honest answers so far compared to the "there are no bad players!" you see sometimes. I think anyone who goes into content with other people without wanting to put effort in is not a good player imo. Like I get that some people play this for the story and that's fine, it's an FF game. But at least press buttons. The basic rotations are really really simple.

[Eldevern]

Bad players are bad players

But the worst are the ones who don't adapt at all to the team or completly neglect the basics of their job (even thought their job quests tell them they need to use this skill or another) or the ones who want so bad to rush over things they do all the party wipe skipping mechanics.

But I don't blame mistakes so far. I do some too.

[Bright-Flower]

For me it's all about effort. A new player I can understand not quite grasping everything yet, but an honest effort is all I ask.

Don't just spam fire 3 and blizzard 3 and call it a day. Learn the basics of your job. AOE when appropriate. If you need help, ask for it. And don't take advice as a personal attack. (Unless someone is being a jerk about it but I generally find people are polite about such things at first.)

It's fine to make mistakes and learn from them. But what makes a REALLY bad player is being bad and being complacent about being bad. People that don't care they're being bad, make no effort to improve. LIke when I started DRKing, I was under the mistaken impression that darkside was something you toggled on to do damage then toggled off to regen mp, while in truth you should be keeping it on at all times and using your abilities to regen mp like your dps combo etc. I was doing something wrong, it was pointed out to me, I corrected myself and learned. I'm still not a great DRK but I got better.

[MorbolvampireQueen6]

A. Ppl who never played a ff before this one..
B. The white knights always using its a mmo excuse to defend everything.
C. Ppl who look at this game as a mmo and not a final fantasy ...first so 2 speak
And d. The ppl who defend things by it " it has great dps" which isn't a argument for ruining the jobs identity *cough summoner*


Im rlly tired of everything alot of us grew up with being made a mockery of for sake of its a mmo or for new players to be able 2 understand it...
I might care a little if everything myself and others grew up with was actually in game and to be honest this new ppl 2 ff defending devs while they insult what we grew up with just angers me

It wouldn't surprise me if they added anima primal that shoots rainbow and glitter because she is 2 hard for new ppl 2 ff

[Gwenorai]

A. Ppl who never played a ff before this one..

You really need to get off your high horse with this. I know people who haven't played a FF before this who have cleared ultimate - this to you is a bad player? No, stop gatekeeping. Assuming someone is bad because they haven't played a FF before this actually makes you not only a bad player but a bad judge of character - get outta here with that gross assumption/opinion or actually stand back and take in the fact people don't have to go through the same experiences - playing past games - to be decent at this MMO.

Instead of, you know, offending everyone who hasn't had the pleasure of playing the other FFs for whatever reason.

[MorbolvampireQueen6]

You really need to get off your high horse with this. I know people who haven't played a FF before this who have cleared ultimate - this to you is a bad player? No, stop gatekeeping. Assuming someone is bad because they haven't played a FF before this actually makes you not only a bad player but a bad judge of character - get outta here with that gross assumption/opinion or actually stand back and take in the fact people don't have to go through the same experiences - playing past games - to be decent at this MMO.

Instead of, you know, offending everyone who hasn't had the pleasure of playing the other FFs for whatever reason.

Are you really offend over a opinion?

And idc if they can clear all content in 48 hours with no deaths its disrespectful 2 ff

In series you should respect the series by playing all i literally didn't know what dark souls was till last year and when i found out i did research bought all games.

Y because it is respectful 2 both the series and the old fans...