What is a "bad player" to you?

[Laerune]

A bad player for me is someone:

1. Has the skills to do decent damage, but doesnt want to do this, because of reasons. I have met alot of players who completed endgame raids etc, but when playing with randoms they go the lazy route and only use the minimum required skills. Tanks that do not bother with defensive CD, DPS who are lazy and stand in everything and underpreform, healers who have full mana bar and do nothing. For me those players are the bad ones.

2. Toxic players and trolls, players only log in to ruin another players playtime.

I do not count new players, players are new to a content, class or role as bad, because they are learning.

[Misutoraru]

Real raiders can read a combat situation very well, and they will adapt to what they're presented with. They'll go ham on dps if it's safe to. The ones who cause deaths or wipes are unable to judge the situation properly. Or they don't even think to. Or in some cases they think it's beneath them to play in any other manner...which is just sad.

Unfortunately this kind of mind set have been spread so badly even newbies are following, they think they must dps at all contents
I have been dying a few time because the healer (with sprout icon) think they must dps. To a point I was kill by some low level content like Ravana

[Keizerwilson]

Unfortunately this kind of mind set have been spread so badly even newbies are following, they think they must dps at all contents
I have been dying a few time because the healer (with sprout icon) think they must dps. To a point I was kill by some low level content like Ravana

Or you could try using cooldowns? Also, every tank has an invuln skill at 50.

[Misutoraru]

Or you could try using cooldowns? Also, every tank has an invuln skill at 50.

I have use everything to keep me alive to a point that they just too focus to burn down all the add and forget their priority
it am bringing this up is because i have see a few newbies got so much pressure from this mind set
and when i told them they could just heal if they are not comfortable, they told me they got the impression from the forum of not doing enough dps as heal is an big issue
I too encouraging heal to dps when they feel they could, but it is very important that what message we are delivering, it is a learning curve they should only do it when they feel more comfortable of giving out dps when can handle the heal

[Penthea]

Unfortunately this kind of mind set have been spread so badly even newbies are following, they think they must dps at all contents
I have been dying a few time because the healer (with sprout icon) think they must dps. To a point I was kill by some low level content like Ravana

I have actually seen this happen in content of all levels. A somewhat odd experience like this is what made me allergic to tanking in this game. I had some weird luck one week - I got a streak of healers who just didn't heal. And this was in super low level content. I honestly found it so stressful to be constantly watching my hp bar get ridiculously close to death while often only my own cd saved me. I even had to use healing potions. Sometimes I died because I had nothing left to burn. It's so frustrating to be a tank sitting on less than 20% hp praying for just one heal while watching the healer spam stone.

[Zeonx]

No such thing as a bad player, people learn to get better just like people learn how to ride a bike.

I mean you wouldn't call someone who messes up riding a bike a bad bike rider eventually they will learn how to ride it then pop wheelies and jump mounds.

[SannaR]

No such thing as a bad player, people learn to get better just like people learn how to ride a bike.

I mean you wouldn't call someone who messes up riding a bike a bad bike rider eventually they will learn how to ride it then pop wheelies and jump mounds.

What if you never learned to ride a bike? I had a bad teacher that one time seriously aimed me at a big swing set's pole. Also I've learned that my body doesn't like the actual feeling of going fast to the point panic starts and my stomach gets queasy.

[Zeonx]

What if you never learned to ride a bike? I had a bad teacher that one time seriously aimed me at a big swing set's pole. Also I've learned that my body doesn't like the actual feeling of going fast to the point panic starts and my stomach gets queasy.

That still doesn't mean you are bad at it, its just not your cup of tea.

You would have to learn how to ride it first but then you already learned that so even if someone wrecked a few times doesn't mean they are bad it only teaches them not to wreck again.

[SannaR]

That still doesn't mean you are bad at it, its just not your cup of tea.

You would have to learn how to ride it first but then you already learned that so even if someone wrecked a few times doesn't mean they are bad it only teaches them not to wreck again.

How does that mean I'm not bad at it if we're still talking about bike riding if one never learned to ride one? It would have been better if you used how to drive a car/truck/tractor as someone probably has learned even at a young age how to drive one of those.

[Mixt]

I would like to point out that no amount of cooldowns will save if you receive no heals.

I should know, i can sit in tank stance, use Rampart, Sentinel, Hallowed Ground, Sheltron, Bulwark, and still end up dead on a mass pull or boss because of a lack of healing, heck, it's happened multiple times.

Examples include: Ravana Hard mode, get sliced to pieces due to being ignored by the healer, turns out cooldowns don't stop all damage (Except for Hallowed Ground, which only lasts 10 seconds and has a 7 minute cooldown, which doesn't help when the healers have decided that you don't need heals)

Titan Hard mode: Yeah sure buddy, don't heal the tank after Mountain Buster, i'm sure that can't possibly go wrong...wait, i ran out of HP, bugger.

The last trash pull in The Burn: damned bugs and worms end up eating my face straight trough tank stance and every CD in my arsenal whenever the healer decides to go "Nope, no heals, deeps only!" The only way to live long enough for the DPS to kill the things is to spam Clemency on myself instead of attacking, thereby removing tank DPS from the equation instead.

And plenty of other such incidents where no amount of correct cooldown management will save you from eventually running out of HP.

"Tank don't need healing, they are supposed to be invincible! Imma go ham on deeps instead! ...Tank why you die? U suck! Only bad tanks die!"

Seriously Healer? Seriously?

Acting as if infinite Hallowed Ground is a thing, my god.

And then there's the DPS and the healers themselves dropping to unavoidable raid wipe AOE's in boss fights...

What were these healers thinking anyway?

There are a lot of healers who can't handle both attacking and healing at the same time, but try it anyways because the meta says so, and in so doing get everybody killed, then start yelling at the tank for not being completely invulnerable.

But then, anecdotes count for nothing.

Maybe i just have a lot of bad luck in roulettes?