What is a "bad player" to you?

[Keizerwilson]

I would consider a bad player to be someone who does not/or is incapable of learning from mistakes, and in general shows a lack of effort.
The worst breed of player though are people who know better, but facilitate these types of players because they are friends/family.

On the flip side I would consider a good player to be someone who:

Is prepared to adjust and adapt.
Is prepared to accept and acquiesce to constructive criticism.
Knows when they have made an error, and seeks out ways to avoid it in the future.
Researches how to play their job to the maximum ability.
Does not blame others for their mistakes.

[Conquistadork]

Me! I mained tank on Heavensward, so now I tried tanking again while lvling DRK to 70 and completely forgot how to tank. D: My poor teammates had to suffer my horrible tanking skills on Aurum Vale yesterday.

I can stop playing for almost a year, come back and pick up any DPS role again without any problems, but if I stop playing tank, it's really hard for me to get the hang of it quickly. D:

[AnnaRosa]

Would define strange player as the one that doesn't greets in return could be just a "waves" emote, honestly on other side players are players not good or bad some you get along with their way of gaming some you don't.

On 24 players raid usually recommend the player that dies more means one is learning the mechanics.

Then you have sickos the ones that find themselves entitled to the absolute truth and throw up rumors about other people real lives in game to bully people, that does not fall neither on good or bad category but more on mental illness .

[Barraind]

Just wanted to answer your question: Everquest.

Ehhhh, depends.

In grind content after AA's, we made healers pull, because they could do it with low threat debuffs, and the actual dps wouldnt lose uptime, ESPECIALLY if the alternative was bard pulling

Druids and Shaman were expected to keep debuffs and dots up, clerics were expected to keep rds's up and melee for damage and heal procs when not burst healing, and they had very strong damage spells vs undead at certain points.

The only time healers were expected to "just heal" was when they were specifically part of a heal chain.

Basically, some of the older games rewarded healing and tanking more than healing sparingly and aggro-generation sparingly

I think this specifically has to do with 14 being balanced around 4 person and 8 person content instead of 5/10/25/40 or 6/36/72.

The more slots you cut for damage dealers, the more damage each player is responsible for, because you cant reasonably balance around Zdps tanks and healers for at level content and expect it to last more than a sneeze at even slightly higher ilvl.

In EQ, you could run a tank, a healer, a hybrid tank/healer, a dedicated debuffer or puller with little damage output and still have damage covered for a functioning group (It was stupid to do that instead of healer/puller/debuffer, tank, tank/dps and 3 full dps, but you -could-).

In wow you had content specifically designed around your healers having to nonstop cast heals in harder content (and were expected to use potions and trade skill consumables in hard mode content) and your tanks primarily focused on tank cooldowns.

You cant look at things like old Vault or current 65+ leveling dungeons and say it's designed around 2 min level dps and a tank + healer who contribute nothing or very little.

[Warghoul570]

One thing I find funny about some of the responses is that communication keeps getting brought up... if someone’s making a mistake and all they get is insults they’re never going to improve. I’m more than happy to listen to other players advice if aim screwing up but the only thing this community seems to want do is throw insults instead of advise. Maybe the person just can’t see where they’re making a mistake

[Vahlnir]

One thing I find funny about some of the responses is that communication keeps getting brought up... if someone’s making a mistake and all they get is insults they’re never going to improve. I’m more than happy to listen to other players advice if aim screwing up but the only thing this community seems to want do is throw insults instead of advise. Maybe the person just can’t see where they’re making a mistake

This only begins to happen if the person making mistakes said nothing about being new or not understanding what to do beforehand. When people are straight forward about what they know or don't know then they more often than not receive help and advice.

[Ursa_Vonfiebryd]

Me when:

People on another class tell me how I should be playing MY class (unless its actual advice).

People attempt to 'punish' for not playing to their standards.

People derp for the lols but don't care about the 23/7/3 others just trying to get thru this.

People expect more from the group then perform less.

People can't listen/comprehend instruction. Or care.

This is when I'm a bad player. But imitation is the finest form of flattery so, *shrug*.

[SannaR]

Me when:

People on another class tell me how I should be playing MY class (unless its actual advice).

People attempt to 'punish' for not playing to their standards.

People derp for the lols but don't care about the 23/7/3 others just trying to get thru this.

People expect more from the group then perform less.

People can't listen/comprehend instruction. Or care.

This is when I'm a bad player. But imitation is the finest form of flattery so, *shrug*.

So if the person is playing another class, but normally plays your class they're a bad for giving tips because they're not on that class?

Also how is not doing the basics a punishment or that high of a standard? Most here in this thread or in the various other threads really only want that and don't hold anyone to UCoB levels of performance in anything, but that kind of fight.

[DrWho2010]

to me a bad player is someone who is severly undergeared attempting to do levelling roulette and getting the highest dungeon to them available thus making the run 3-4 times longer than it should take. levelling dungeons really need to have a min ilvl req.

[Jaywalker]

Had a situation when I was in a raid (Orbonne I think) where I died two or three times in quick succession. IIRC it was my first run and while I'd been doing fine before that point, a friend of mine started messaging me in a panic about something work-related. I considered the panic an overreaction (it was mainly 'what if' stuff) but my friend was still very upset, and I did want to help her out of that. So I was trying to both reassure her and DPS simultaneously. I'm console, so the "calm friend down" bit was on laptop while I'm still managing rotation and trying to dodge with controller. Basically one hand typing other hand running and attacking. Didn't feel like I could drop either in good conscience.

One of the healers in the group, when I went down the final time for that boss, told me I wouldn't get a raise unless I swore to run to the other side of the arena. I apologized and explained the situation, got the raise, it was fine... but that exchange felt really really weird to me. I totally accept I was not performing up to standards there. Based on horror stories here and in Duty Finder thread, I also know there are players who are deeply incompetent jerks too. At that stage it was impossible for other people to tell what kind of player I was/why I was having trouble. 100% understand the frustration. Just feel weird about the ransom thing.

I don't have any ill will toward the healer and I wouldn't necessarily call them bad for that moment either. But knowing here people are debating bad player calls a lot, were there things that either of us could have/should have done differently in your opinions? Did we both handle stuff the best way we could have under those circumstances? I hadn't mentioned the issue to my party earlier because typing with controller can take a bit and I didn't want to make things worse with me lagging instead of DPSing.