WHM healing when most party members don´t dodge AOE?

[Gavanri]

How do you do it?

I had a random party at Glubal Library and we kept wiping at first boss even though I perma healed (had to, they took lots of damage per AOE). I ran out of MP twice and then couldn´t reboost it (cooldown). The DPS literally stood in every AOE, the rotating stars, the purple stuff, forgot to slide past the book... even though there were no first timers. I had to decide between healing and dodging and in the end they still died, ress, they died again after I healed them up. The first try the tank and I kept trying to get it down in the end, failed because I got stuck inside the book (rip...it´s only my 2nd time too).

I see some healers writing that they live for this kind of situation because it adds suspense to otherwise boring dungeon runs (no sarcasmn here).

How do you keep all party members alive when they are so keen on dying? Will I be able to do this too after 1 year of experience? xD

[Risvertasashi]

"You can't heal stupid."

If you're using all your resources - your oGCDs, making sure to use GCDs efficiently (eg regen, not overhealing, etc) - past a certain point, there's only so much you can do.

It may sound cold, but past a certain point of my MP, I stop healing avoidable damage and stop ressing. Keep the tank up - after all, healer and tank DPS are all that's needed to clear, and a constantly dying DPS isn't contributing anyways. But keep the tank up and you can still clear.

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All that said, from another perspective... some dungeons I haven't done in forever. Even though I'm not a first timer, I might not remember every mechanic. Still, small mistakes in dungeons aren't usually fatal...

[Edewen]

If they are constantly getting themselves killed to the point where one might think they are trolling you. just let them die and dont res them. Im not going to heal an idiot through 5 vuln stacks just because he wants to stand still.

[Ghishlain]

At some point, you can't really out HPS the incoming damage, especially when vulnerability stacks start to accumulate.

With that being said, in this particular instance I'd probably do the following:

• Maintain Medica II to handle the random auto attacks
• Fish for Lilies with Cure so I can get faster Assize CDs since there is a decent gap between AoEs
• Fishing for Lilies with Cure will allow Freecure procs to occur to keep people going at 0MP
• Pop Tetra as a supplement to Cure II when able
• Asylum in front of the boss to help melee health - I imagine they'll walk in and out of it on occasion as a minor HPS boost
• Medica when necessary if the total party health starts to get low
• Rescue one person through the book when one can
• Use Break as a 0MP DPS spell when opportunities are there (assuming there are any)

You can't fix stupid but WHM does have a few tools that allow them some longevity and sustain - hopefully enough to carry you through the fight.

Some people are just hopeless, but I'm one of those masochists that will try to carry that party through hell and back as I am one of those healers who enjoy these challenges.

[Foxkid]

Listen to Makani. The life of a healer (especially white mage and astro) is one of being essentially a babysitter. If the tank is also getting hit by avoidable damage in a dungeon, keep him up regardless because he's meatshield fodder to keep yourself in the game lest you get aggroed and nuked like no one's business by 1-3 autos.

[Violet_Galaxy]

How do you do it?

I had a random party at Glubal Library and we kept wiping at first boss even though I perma healed (had to, they took lots of damage per AOE). I ran out of MP twice and then couldn´t reboost it (cooldown). The DPS literally stood in every AOE, the rotating stars, the purple stuff, forgot to slide past the book... even though there were no first timers. I had to decide between healing and dodging and in the end they still died, ress, they died again after I healed them up. The first try the tank and I kept trying to get it down in the end, failed because I got stuck inside the book (rip...it´s only my 2nd time too).

I see some healers writing that they live for this kind of situation because it adds suspense to otherwise boring dungeon runs (no sarcasmn here).

How do you keep all party members alive when they are so keen on dying? Will I be able to do this too after 1 year of experience? xD

In that scenario you posted if it were me, one of the DPS would stay on the ground. That boss is notorious for causing strain on the healers for people not knowing how to dodge anything at all. Regardless, you have to keep the tank up and then strategically leave one of the dps on the ground to conserve mp. I just had the rather unfortunate experience of solo healing a Lakshmi run because my co-healer more or less sucked but in the end it was either I keep raising him and he keeps falling or I keep him down to conserve mp for people that I know will get us through this trial. Then again if you're doing what you said then it's really out of your hands. It's been said already, but I'll reiterate: You can't heal stupid.

[Gavanri]

With that being said, in this particular instance I'd probably do the following:

• Maintain Medica II to handle the random auto attacks
• Fish for Lilies with Cure so I can get faster Assize CDs since there is a decent gap between AoEs
• Fishing for Lilies with Cure will allow Freecure procs to occur to keep people going at 0MP
• Pop Tetra as a supplement to Cure II when able
• Asylum in front of the boss to help melee health - I imagine they'll walk in and out of it on occasion as a minor HPS boost
• Medica when necessary if the total party health starts to get low
• Rescue one person through the book when one can
• Use Break as a 0MP DPS spell when opportunities are there (assuming there are any)

Woof, I will go look for a good WHM video guide with detailed situational strategies, right now. The lili fishing stuff went over my head, thanks for making me aware what to practice. I‘m aware this post makes it look as if I did everything right but the point is that I messed up too, it was hard to keep casting at this boss and I kept running out of AOEs too late. I was plainly out of my league here

[Risvertasashi]

it was hard to keep casting at this boss and I kept running out of AOEs too late.

This is a problem I used to have (and sometimes still do). I have to put myself in a frame of mind that prioritizes mechanics/aoes, even when natural instinct is "that person needs healing now!" Mechanics/dodging first, then heals.

[Kalise]

This is a problem I used to have (and sometimes still do). I have to put myself in a frame of mind that prioritizes mechanics/aoes, even when natural instinct is "that person needs healing now!" Mechanics/dodging first, then heals.

Yeah, you have to keep in mind that as a healer, YOU are the single most important person to keep safe. Since, if you die, then no-one else can get healed.

With the Tank being a close second because it's likely that if the Tank drops, all the enemies are going to rush over to give you hugs in the worst way >.>

While it can feel bad to let people die to move out of AoE's and the like, it's generally the best course of action (Unless you know the damage won't kill you and that you'll be using AoE heals a bit later anyway)

It's just one of those things. The "Help everyone out" role happens to have a pretty high amount of "I am the most important person in the party" going with it. Since, like how you can't heal stupid, you can't heal if you're dead.

[Celef]

As long as they stand in AoE on purpose I don't heal them and keep DPS.

I'm a healer, not a nanny