Skillchains and bazaars

[SannaR]

Skillchains in XI after awhile also just stopped happening unless you were breaking a mythic weapon so you could unlock the weaponskill to use. I'm not sure if there has been a resurgence in XI, but even if it has it wouldn't work with XIV mostly because you'd use one that a monster was weak to with a spell to create a magic burst. Outside of Eureka the devs have moved away from the elemental weakness aspect of the game to the point of removing the buffs from various cnj wands and the like. Bazaars like in 1.0 would just be a clogged laggy area where your retainers would be like a patch day rahuban extreme fest unless you do go and do it with how it is in XI where you can get into cases of harassment. In that trades and can stop a person from teleporting.

[Konsentrate]

Skillchains in XI after awhile also just stopped happening unless you were breaking a mythic weapon so you could unlock the weaponskill to use. I'm not sure if there has been a resurgence in XI, but even if it has it wouldn't work with XIV mostly because you'd use one that a monster was weak to with a spell to create a magic burst. Outside of Eureka the devs have moved away from the elemental weakness aspect of the game to the point of removing the buffs from various cnj wands and the like. Bazaars like in 1.0 would just be a clogged laggy area where your retainers would be like a patch day rahuban extreme fest unless you do go and do it with how it is in XI where you can get into cases of harassment. In that trades and can stop a person from teleporting.

Yeah, I figured the server load for people coming in and out were why they were not implemented, but I wasn't sure. The elemental part of the skillchains wouldn't fit, I just figured more like the battle regimens were.

[Burningskull]

From what I understand people in FFXI eventually stopped caring about Skill Chains and Magic Bursts. They also weren't that great on NM's since people didn't want to let melee hit the boss because that would give the boss TP and allow the boss to do moves rather than just auto attack.

[Konsentrate]

From what I understand people in FFXI eventually stopped caring about Skill Chains and Magic Bursts. They also weren't that great on NM's since people didn't want to let melee hit the boss because that would give the boss TP and allow the boss to do moves rather than just auto attack.

I stopped playing right when 1.0 came out, so not sure how it ended up. Interesting to know, though.

[Callinon]

From what I understand people in FFXI eventually stopped caring about Skill Chains and Magic Bursts. They also weren't that great on NM's since people didn't want to let melee hit the boss because that would give the boss TP and allow the boss to do moves rather than just auto attack.

They're used again currently. Both in xp and bosses.

Having a BLM or SMN that can magic burst for 99999 consistently is not something to scoff at. They had to buff skillchain effectiveness, but yeah... quite common now.

[Enla]

I never played FFXI but after listening to my friends who did reminisce about the Skill Chains, complete with the diagrams showing how they worked, I can't say I'm unhappy they were never implemented.

Because this...




Looks like a mess, and that's just the diagrams I was shown. Actually looking at the wikia for it made my eyes cross.

[Konsentrate]

I never played FFXI but after listening to my friends who did reminisce about the Skill Chains, complete with the diagrams showing how they worked, I can't say I'm unhappy they were never implemented.

Because this...




Looks like a mess, and that's just the diagrams I was shown. Actually looking at the wikia for it made my eyes cross.

It looks more complicated than it is, honestly.

[Konsentrate]

https://www.ffxiv-eorzea.com/2015/07...pan-expo-2015/

Yoshi talks balance about being the trouble to re-implement battle regimens, and that does make sense. Still haven't found anything on bazaars aside from it being the reason they didn't auto-logout people in XI.

[Vanitas]

Both of those ideads sound fun but I'd imagine skillchains doing more harm than good in our great community.

[Brill_]

Bazaars served a couple purposes in XI. First, some items could be traded between players, but could not be sold on the market board. Bazaar was the way to make those sales without spamming in shout that you were selling something. Second, you only got 7 sale slots on the market board. If you want to sell more than that, bazaars was another way to do that. The market board did not let you choose quantity when selling stackable items. You either listed an entire stack or you only listed items 1 at a time.

The downside is these items had to be in your inventory, taking up space. You had to be logged in to bazaar items. People would have the game running 24x7. I think the retainers in the housing area was an attempt for a bazaar like system, but not being able to place them anywhere hurts visibility. For example, last year I was buying attachments fot my PUP. There is an NPC that sells them all. There was a guy bazaaring the same attachments for a cheaper price. He camped out right next to the NPC so people would see him. Saved almost 500k gil buying from him. Had he been stuck in town, I would have missed him.

For skillchains, obviously an exact implementation in XI would never work in XIV. They could have something like it if they got rid of group limit break, replaced it with a personal limit break bar(like pvp) then certain combos of personal LB could create a chain. Though I doubt something like that would ever work in this game. Skillchains require group communication and coordinating. Two things that the community doesn't like to do.