BA shows that we fail as a Community (big time)

[Burningskull]

I can only speak for EU Datacenter and from what I read on the english forums about NA servers but in my opinion BA or rather open dungeons do not work in our society. It brings out the worst in people.

My experience (Iam alot in Eureka) is that Parties withing Hydatos NEVER form. No one shows interest into portals or BA. Sometimes they max get 1 Party together (which is really rare) shouting AFTER the boss is dead. So there is also the problem of being 0 prepared. So the solution for most people is: premade parties via partyfinder or via a discord channel.

Now, once those Parties manage to get into a instance together and people figured "wait, there are 4 parties int here who wanna do BA" THEN all of a sudden everyone has interest and its "everyones portal" so the result of that is, you guessed it, sniping. If to many sniper make it into the dungeon the result is the premade group leaves and everyone just wasted their time. Or if a sniper gets invited into the group it usualy ends up the sniper wiping the party. Another waste of time on everyones hand.

On EU Datacenter we even have a whole subculture of people lurking in Discord Channels and stalking premade groups, instance hoping with them, "stealing" a portal and mocking the parties who entered. (and yes those people get reported for stalking)

(please note Iam not saying everyone who uses a portal without a group is a sniper or does it on purpose, but lets be honest, most people do it "just to prove a point" or to get some sort of kick out of it, aka trolling)

We as a community failed. For some reason we do not manage to play together and respect each other.

My opinion is if you do NOT manage to get a bunch of people together inside eureka with a serious number of people to actually can encounter bosses (before the fate spawns, you rly need time to prepare) please let people with premade parties enjoy the content.

This is why nothing in the game outside of BA has a claim system. It doesn't encourage teamwork, just "oh you wanted this? to bad" mentality.

They tried something new, parts of it succeeded, parts of it failed.

I kinda wish SE would quit trying new stuff. Every time they do it either turns out horrible, (Diadem, Eureka, BLU), or only the "hardcore" fan base like it. (Deep Dungeon challenge floors, Ultimate fights.) Not to mention we lost a Dungeon, Hildabrand Trials (which have been gone since ARR), MSQ Trials like Crysalis (Which I think have been gone since ARR?). I'd rather they work on making the content that does work better. Tying some of the things to the MSQ like 8 man raids, 24 man raids, and the primal fights so that it seems like all the extra stuff we are doing is impacting the world. Let the Devs make more mahjong games in their free time. Of course this is just my opinion so... probably doesn't matter in the long run to SE lol.

[Rockette]

I kinda wish SE would quit trying new stuff. Every time they do it either turns out horrible, (Diadem, Eureka, BLU), or only the "hardcore" fan base like it. (Deep Dungeon challenge floors, Ultimate fights.) Not to mention we lost a Dungeon, Hildabrand Trials (which have been gone since ARR), MSQ Trials like Crysalis (Which I think have been gone since ARR?). I'd rather they work on making the content that does work better. Tying some of the things to the MSQ like 8 man raids, 24 man raids, and the primal fights so that it seems like all the extra stuff we are doing is impacting the world. Let the Devs make more mahjong games in their free time. Of course this is just my opinion so... probably doesn't matter in the long run to SE lol.

Hard disagree. I welcome new things, keeps the game fresh. This content isn't for the "hardcore" at all. If anything, it has shown there is a audience for people in-between casual and raiders who want to participate in a large scale instance. This content could have been really fun if it weren't for the portals / instancing. It's been great for meeting new people, networking, and trying new things.

[Crushnight]

I kinda wish SE would quit trying new stuff. Every time they do it either turns out horrible, (Diadem, Eureka, BLU), or only the "hardcore" fan base like it. (Deep Dungeon challenge floors, Ultimate fights.) Not to mention we lost a Dungeon, Hildabrand Trials (which have been gone since ARR), MSQ Trials like Crysalis (Which I think have been gone since ARR?). I'd rather they work on making the content that does work better. Tying some of the things to the MSQ like 8 man raids, 24 man raids, and the primal fights so that it seems like all the extra stuff we are doing is impacting the world. Let the Devs make more mahjong games in their free time. Of course this is just my opinion so... probably doesn't matter in the long run to SE lol.

I don't i'd rather they keep trying new things but actually take into consideration how different things are in NA/EU compared to JP as well as refining what they plan to do so it is not coming across as half assed as we keep getting the same tired analogy of The concept is there but the implementation is lacking

[Mansion]

Not to mention we lost a Dungeon

I'd give up all dungeons from Ala Mhigo to Ghimlyt Dark for a fifth Eureka actually. Even a Pagos. Or a third Ultimate that I'd never clear.

[Burningskull]

I'd give up all dungeons from Ala Mhigo to Ghimlyt Dark for a fifth Eureka actually. Even a Pagos. Or a third Ultimate that I'd never clear.

I would never understand why. I love dungeons.

[Sheriyana]

I kinda wish SE would quit trying new stuff. Every time they do it either turns out horrible, (Diadem, Eureka, BLU), or only the "hardcore" fan base like it. (Deep Dungeon challenge floors, Ultimate fights.) Not to mention we lost a Dungeon, Hildabrand Trials (which have been gone since ARR), MSQ Trials like Crysalis (Which I think have been gone since ARR?). I'd rather they work on making the content that does work better. Tying some of the things to the MSQ like 8 man raids, 24 man raids, and the primal fights so that it seems like all the extra stuff we are doing is impacting the world. Let the Devs make more mahjong games in their free time. Of course this is just my opinion so... probably doesn't matter in the long run to SE lol.

If you mean just trials that are part of the MSQ, we had Ravana, Bismarck, Thordan and Nidhogg in HW and Susano, Lakshmi, Shinryu and Tsukuyomi in SB. Technically Steps of Faith also came out after the Chrysalis.

[Burningskull]

If you mean just trials that are part of the MSQ, we had Ravana, Bismarck, Thordan and Nidhogg in HW and Susano, Lakshmi, Shinryu and Tsukuyomi in SB. Technically Steps of Faith also came out after the Chrysalis.

Ah. I had forgotten about those. >< My mistake. Although wasn't Chrysalis a patch Trail? Have we gotten any Patch Trials that were MSQ focused in a while or just the dungeons?

[Sheriyana]

Ah. I had forgotten about those. >< My mistake. Although wasn't Chrysalis a patch Trail? Have we gotten any Patch Trials that were MSQ focused in a while or just the dungeons?

Chrysalis was in base 2.5 while Steps of Faith was in 2.55. But aside from that, yeah, I don't think we have. We don't tend to have 2 trials in any major patch in general nowadays let alone MSQ ones, ever since HW it's been one trial per all of a main patch.

[Seraph522]

Chrysalis was in base 2.5 while Steps of Faith was in 2.55. But aside from that, yeah, I don't think we have. We don't tend to have 2 trials in any major patch in general nowadays let alone MSQ ones, ever since HW it's been one trial per all of a main patch.

We've had one MSQ trial per expansion cycle since Heavensward launched: Nidhogg in 3.3, and Tsukuyomi in 4.3. The Hildibrand trials and the exception of 2.5/2.55 having one trial each are the main reasons there seemed to be more trials per patch in ARR, as otherwise it was one trial per patch as well, just integrated into the MSQ rather than relegated to a sidequest like the Warring Triad and the Auspices (I'm also not counting EX trials separately). Technically, you could also count the Relic trials from 2.16, but they're effectively glorified dungeon bosses. I also seem to remember Yoshida mentioning at some point that they didn't want to lock trials behind the Hildibrand sidequests again, though I can't remember where or why, so don't quote me on that.

[Sheriyana]

We've had one MSQ trial per expansion cycle since Heavensward launched: Nidhogg in 3.3, and Tsukuyomi in 4.3. The Hildibrand trials and the exception of 2.5/2.55 having one trial each are the main reasons there seemed to be more trials per patch in ARR, as otherwise it was one trial per patch as well, just integrated into the MSQ rather than relegated to a sidequest like the Warring Triad and the Auspices (I'm also not counting EX trials separately). Technically, you could also count the Relic trials from 2.16, but they're effectively glorified dungeon bosses. I also seem to remember Yoshida mentioning at some point that they didn't want to lock trials behind the Hildibrand sidequests again, though I can't remember where or why, so don't quote me on that.

Yeap, this is it. Weren't the relic chimera and hydra just open world bosses at first that were turned into trials since they were almost impossible to complete the original way? That's the impression I've gotten anyway, I never made it to 50 at 2.0 launch. I wonder how they're going to implement the Yojimbo trial from the fanfest if it's not part of Hildibrand, Yojimbo is a key part of the Stormblood Hildibrand story and I can't really see them not tie the trial into that considering Yojimbo's position in it. I mean they could just randomly throw him into Orbonne in the place of that living armor trash miniboss but you'd think they'd have learned their lesson from the Proto-Ultima backlash.