Quote Originally Posted by Myon88 View Post
Here on elemental, they just form groups out of whoever got into the dungeon. The portals are a free for all, and while people occasionally will defer to someone who arrived first, it's not uncommon for someone to show up at the last minute and attempt to contest you for it anyway. I feel like there aren't too many hard feelings over portals. You see a lot of jokes about how people are going to duel for portals and like 'Let's have a good match', I think generally people agree that the portal situation is just screwed up all around. Plus, since most people ditch the FATE early to get there 'first', being there before someone else isn't much of a moral high ground.

After this, you're at the mercy of whichever jobs get in, and some runs (about a third of them in my experience, are voluntarily ended with everyone returning after Raiden if the raid sees there aren't enough tanks, but thus far every raid that has proceeded to AV has killed it (most still wipe to Ozma however, so the average pug here isn't that good yet, give them another week or so). Everything is done via text chat in yell (to differentiate it from people shouting for NMs outside). I've also yet to see a single raid wipe at any point before Ozma, the stories I hear of people wiping to the spear twins or the trash leading to the twins seem pretty inconceivable.

I have no doubt some mass premades exist, but in the 2 weeks the patch has been out, I've only been in one instance where a large premade has announced their presence. It seems more common for people to venture in in a full party at most, and then work with the other full parties and pugs who have entered.
Trust me i have seen party wipe before they can get to Art before. One time there are no big allaince and some people want to go in, I end up joining for science. A little more than 16 join, i went to owain side and the other went to art. By the time we got to owain we were asking how the other side is doing, the out they wipe already.