BA shows that we fail as a Community (big time)

[Sheriyana]

Ah. I had forgotten about those. >< My mistake. Although wasn't Chrysalis a patch Trail? Have we gotten any Patch Trials that were MSQ focused in a while or just the dungeons?

Chrysalis was in base 2.5 while Steps of Faith was in 2.55. But aside from that, yeah, I don't think we have. We don't tend to have 2 trials in any major patch in general nowadays let alone MSQ ones, ever since HW it's been one trial per all of a main patch.

[Seraph522]

Chrysalis was in base 2.5 while Steps of Faith was in 2.55. But aside from that, yeah, I don't think we have. We don't tend to have 2 trials in any major patch in general nowadays let alone MSQ ones, ever since HW it's been one trial per all of a main patch.

We've had one MSQ trial per expansion cycle since Heavensward launched: Nidhogg in 3.3, and Tsukuyomi in 4.3. The Hildibrand trials and the exception of 2.5/2.55 having one trial each are the main reasons there seemed to be more trials per patch in ARR, as otherwise it was one trial per patch as well, just integrated into the MSQ rather than relegated to a sidequest like the Warring Triad and the Auspices (I'm also not counting EX trials separately). Technically, you could also count the Relic trials from 2.16, but they're effectively glorified dungeon bosses. I also seem to remember Yoshida mentioning at some point that they didn't want to lock trials behind the Hildibrand sidequests again, though I can't remember where or why, so don't quote me on that.

[Sheriyana]

We've had one MSQ trial per expansion cycle since Heavensward launched: Nidhogg in 3.3, and Tsukuyomi in 4.3. The Hildibrand trials and the exception of 2.5/2.55 having one trial each are the main reasons there seemed to be more trials per patch in ARR, as otherwise it was one trial per patch as well, just integrated into the MSQ rather than relegated to a sidequest like the Warring Triad and the Auspices (I'm also not counting EX trials separately). Technically, you could also count the Relic trials from 2.16, but they're effectively glorified dungeon bosses. I also seem to remember Yoshida mentioning at some point that they didn't want to lock trials behind the Hildibrand sidequests again, though I can't remember where or why, so don't quote me on that.

Yeap, this is it. Weren't the relic chimera and hydra just open world bosses at first that were turned into trials since they were almost impossible to complete the original way? That's the impression I've gotten anyway, I never made it to 50 at 2.0 launch. I wonder how they're going to implement the Yojimbo trial from the fanfest if it's not part of Hildibrand, Yojimbo is a key part of the Stormblood Hildibrand story and I can't really see them not tie the trial into that considering Yojimbo's position in it. I mean they could just randomly throw him into Orbonne in the place of that living armor trash miniboss but you'd think they'd have learned their lesson from the Proto-Ultima backlash.

[Seraph522]

Yeap, this is it. Weren't the relic chimera and hydra just open world bosses at first that were turned into trials since they were almost impossible to complete the original way? That's the impression I've gotten anyway, I never made it to 50 at 2.0 launch. I wonder how they're going to implement the Yojimbo trial from the fanfest if it's not part of Hildibrand, Yojimbo is a key part of the Stormblood Hildibrand story and I can't really see them not tie the trial into that considering Yojimbo's position in it. I mean they could just randomly throw him into Orbonne in the place of that living armor trash miniboss but you'd think they'd have learned their lesson from the Proto-Ultima backlash.

I think they were? The 2.16 patch notes say that the fights "can now be challenged via the Duty Finder" (emphasis mine), which makes me think as much, but I didn't start playing until last year, so I can't confirm it personally. As for the Yojimbo trial, I'm really not certain; I'd assume that they'd make it available through the Hildibrand quests because nothing else would make sense, and maybe they just walked back on their previous position or something (wouldn't be the first time...).

[Sheriyana]

I think they were? The 2.16 patch notes say that the fights "can now be challenged via the Duty Finder" (emphasis mine), which makes me think as much, but I didn't start playing until last year, so I can't confirm it personally. As for the Yojimbo trial, I'm really not certain; I'd assume that they'd make it available through the Hildibrand quests because nothing else would make sense, and maybe they just walked back on their previous position or something (wouldn't be the first time...).

That's as much as I've managed to find out as well, but they're pretty much dungeon level bosses like your original point was. And yeah, I'd like Yojimbo to get his own trial, he really deserves it, the encounter in Kugane Castle was pretty pathetic but all we can really do is wait to find out what they're doing. At least if it's part of Hildibrand that would mean we're getting the trial a few days after the Tokyo fanfest with the rest of the story and the last Hildibrand.

[Tyrn]

I think they were? The 2.16 patch notes say that the fights "can now be challenged via the Duty Finder" (emphasis mine), which makes me think as much, but I didn't start playing until last year, so I can't confirm it personally. As for the Yojimbo trial, I'm really not certain; I'd assume that they'd make it available through the Hildibrand quests because nothing else would make sense, and maybe they just walked back on their previous position or something (wouldn't be the first time...).

It has been years but if my memory hasn't degraded completely you had to make your own group of 8 people then the entire group had go to Eastern Thanalan / CCH then a person doing the quest or someone who had done it already had to get leader and click on a instance bubble next to Halatali / the chimera cave in CCH like you do for instanced MSQ/job quest battles and then you'd get sent into the instanced boss arenas just like you do with the DF now. All the 2.16 change did was let you queue for it with randoms instead of forming your own group and getting everyone together in the zone (kinda like premade potd/hoh) before entering the instanced fight.

[Celenia]

Yeap, this is it. Weren't the relic chimera and hydra just open world bosses at first that were turned into trials since they were almost impossible to complete the original way? That's the impression I've gotten anyway, I never made it to 50 at 2.0 launch. I wonder how they're going to implement the Yojimbo trial from the fanfest if it's not part of Hildibrand, Yojimbo is a key part of the Stormblood Hildibrand story and I can't really see them not tie the trial into that considering Yojimbo's position in it. I mean they could just randomly throw him into Orbonne in the place of that living armor trash miniboss but you'd think they'd have learned their lesson from the Proto-Ultima backlash.

Chimera is open world BUT anybody can come in (as long as they have party) just by interact with the portal. There is no restriction to the number of instance it creates (there is but the number really big). BA ? Not so. The number of BA is limited to the number of eureka instance. Which practically lock 60% of player everytime.

Seriously, if they make it like diadem Emergency Mission, this problem (portal snipping) will not happen. What complain might be please allow queue as alliance or BA too hard. The current implementation just destroy the community.