BA shows that we fail as a Community (big time)

[YatoShishi]

I can only speak for EU Datacenter and from what I read on the english forums about NA servers but in my opinion BA or rather open dungeons do not work in our society. It brings out the worst in people.

My experience (Iam alot in Eureka) is that Parties withing Hydatos NEVER form. No one shows interest into portals or BA. Sometimes they max get 1 Party together (which is really rare) shouting AFTER the boss is dead. So there is also the problem of being 0 prepared. So the solution for most people is: premade parties via partyfinder or via a discord channel.

Now, once those Parties manage to get into a instance together and people figured "wait, there are 4 parties int here who wanna do BA" THEN all of a sudden everyone has interest and its "everyones portal" so the result of that is, you guessed it, sniping. If to many sniper make it into the dungeon the result is the premade group leaves and everyone just wasted their time. Or if a sniper gets invited into the group it usualy ends up the sniper wiping the party. Another waste of time on everyones hand.

On EU Datacenter we even have a whole subculture of people lurking in Discord Channels and stalking premade groups, instance hoping with them, "stealing" a portal and mocking the parties who entered. (and yes those people get reported for stalking)

(please note Iam not saying everyone who uses a portal without a group is a sniper or does it on purpose, but lets be honest, most people do it "just to prove a point" or to get some sort of kick out of it, aka trolling)

We as a community failed. For some reason we do not manage to play together and respect each other.

My opinion is if you do NOT manage to get a bunch of people together inside eureka with a serious number of people to actually can encounter bosses (before the fate spawns, you rly need time to prepare) please let people with premade parties enjoy the content.

[Alucard135]

Now, once those Parties manage to get into a instance together and people figured "wait, there are 4 parties int here who wanna do BA" THEN all of a sudden everyone has interest and its "everyones portal" so the result of that is, you guessed it, sniping. If to many sniper make it into the dungeon the result is the premade group leaves and everyone just wasted their time. Or if a sniper gets invited into the group it usualy ends up the sniper wiping the party. Another waste of time on everyones hand.

[Sylow]

Tbh, a lot of it is content design. BA progression should have MORE positive effects on the outside aside from one annoying NM.

Clear the twins? Bunny fate drops more gold chests.
Clear Raiden? NMs drop more crystals.
Clear support fate? Temporary drop rate increase of moisture-warped lockboxes.
Clear AV? NMs spawn faster. Throw in some lore about Eureka destabilizing or something.
Clear Ozma? Extend these effects for the whole zone for 30 minutes.

[Celenia]

Nah just make it the party inside BA clear ozma, all outside get ozma clear. Make people have reason to support better and allow people with high chance of clearing it to go in. (Just make 1 achievement for this (like thank you support team))

[Rockette]

They tried something new, parts of it succeeded, parts of it failed.

[Nihility]

it is kind of strange to me how if you try to do BA with the people inside the instance you get like maybe 3-6 people
organized group manages to get into an instance all of a sudden everyone wants it

and then there's a bunch of people who just queue around looking for organized groups so they can take a portal shout something like "because i can" and then immediately leave

if you only read the forums instead of actually experience it you'd think all 144 people want to form pug groups and slowly get individually better at BA
in practice almost no one wants BA unless they think they can get some free loot without putting in any effort and the fact that the amount of people that spend a lot of their own time just to ruin someone else's effort is more than just one deranged psychopath is kind of disturbing

In my experience playing various MMO's on different regions the main difference is the pug players. The people that organize groups are largely the same while the pug players in Japan practice like crazy so they don't fail in a group while every other region the pug players almost have an attitude of "I'm entitled to everything for just being here, the organized people are just elitists trying to ruin the game for me!"
BA is actually a good example of that. The discord for organizing groups is free for everyone, the only rule is basically "be kind" and it's full of people that are done with BA just going back to help people they don't even know progress and get clears. Yet on the forums you'll find post after post of "Bunch of elitists looking down on us think we're not good enough to play with them"

[Celenia]

They tried something new, parts of it succeeded, parts of it failed.

Rather than success, to me it is utterly fail. Why ? Because it is MMO. Thus even for experiment, they need to keep in mind about that. For example, we have diadem. In diadem, whenever there is emergency mission, all players in area can go in without restriction (albeit limited time). Why not make it BA like that ? In addition, make BA another instance thus the instance not hogging 48 or 56 hydatos player space (if you die level down and throw out to kugane directly).

Ps: I believe for community itself, this is not I expect to get (from live letter). What I expect to get, you can get in BA from hydatos but each BA instance is limited to 56 player (and it is cross eureka instance).

[Celef]

They tried something new, parts of it succeeded, parts of it failed.

I think the idea behind BA is really good, the real issue is the community. People are savages, just look how they interact with each others...

[Kitfox]

The Baldesion grouping system is very bad and not fun at all. Please fix SE.

Premade parties have a hard time getting into the same Eureka instance and then sometimes hard time getting into the dungeon because of portal snipers. The requirements for priority items are retarded: takes like a week to get one when people are running the dungeon multiple times a day, a massive inbalance and not worth the effort. Then if someone snipes a portal, we can't even change jobs inside the dungeon so you might end up with unworkable party setups. Then you have the support fate with even fewer portals available for instant entry, which increases the likelihood of recruiting unprepared snipers for the hardest part of the dungeon and wiping the run for the other 48 people. There's also not enough instances to accommodate everyone who wants to run so peak hours are a mess.

I thought the "difficulty entry" meant something other than combating every game system in place. If you want us to "communicate and organize", then please let us. These systems are a massive pain to work with.

[Reinha]

If content doesn't inspire people to work together then it's the design that has failed. 24 man raids do just fine in getting a big group of total strangers to co-operate and teach each other.