BA shows that we fail as a Community (big time)

[YatoShishi]

I can only speak for EU Datacenter and from what I read on the english forums about NA servers but in my opinion BA or rather open dungeons do not work in our society. It brings out the worst in people.

My experience (Iam alot in Eureka) is that Parties withing Hydatos NEVER form. No one shows interest into portals or BA. Sometimes they max get 1 Party together (which is really rare) shouting AFTER the boss is dead. So there is also the problem of being 0 prepared. So the solution for most people is: premade parties via partyfinder or via a discord channel.

Now, once those Parties manage to get into a instance together and people figured "wait, there are 4 parties int here who wanna do BA" THEN all of a sudden everyone has interest and its "everyones portal" so the result of that is, you guessed it, sniping. If to many sniper make it into the dungeon the result is the premade group leaves and everyone just wasted their time. Or if a sniper gets invited into the group it usualy ends up the sniper wiping the party. Another waste of time on everyones hand.

On EU Datacenter we even have a whole subculture of people lurking in Discord Channels and stalking premade groups, instance hoping with them, "stealing" a portal and mocking the parties who entered. (and yes those people get reported for stalking)

(please note Iam not saying everyone who uses a portal without a group is a sniper or does it on purpose, but lets be honest, most people do it "just to prove a point" or to get some sort of kick out of it, aka trolling)

We as a community failed. For some reason we do not manage to play together and respect each other.

My opinion is if you do NOT manage to get a bunch of people together inside eureka with a serious number of people to actually can encounter bosses (before the fate spawns, you rly need time to prepare) please let people with premade parties enjoy the content.

[Alucard135]

Now, once those Parties manage to get into a instance together and people figured "wait, there are 4 parties int here who wanna do BA" THEN all of a sudden everyone has interest and its "everyones portal" so the result of that is, you guessed it, sniping. If to many sniper make it into the dungeon the result is the premade group leaves and everyone just wasted their time. Or if a sniper gets invited into the group it usualy ends up the sniper wiping the party. Another waste of time on everyones hand.

[Sylow]

Tbh, a lot of it is content design. BA progression should have MORE positive effects on the outside aside from one annoying NM.

Clear the twins? Bunny fate drops more gold chests.
Clear Raiden? NMs drop more crystals.
Clear support fate? Temporary drop rate increase of moisture-warped lockboxes.
Clear AV? NMs spawn faster. Throw in some lore about Eureka destabilizing or something.
Clear Ozma? Extend these effects for the whole zone for 30 minutes.

[xbahax92]

Tbh, a lot of it is content design. BA progression should have MORE positive effects on the outside aside from one annoying NM.

Clear the twins? Bunny fate drops more gold chests.
Clear Raiden? NMs drop more crystals.
Clear support fate? Temporary drop rate increase of moisture-warped lockboxes.
Clear AV? NMs spawn faster. Throw in some lore about Eureka destabilizing or something.
Clear Ozma? Extend these effects for the whole zone for 30 minutes.

I like the ideas.
Sad that the Dev Team couldn't think this far. Proves my opinion of half-baked content SE releases. Everything is always so short sighted.

[Wissp]

As someone who has been using Discord to join BA groups, I find this both surprising and a bit saddening that people would purposefully do things like that. The people that use the discord method for forming groups are not elitist at all from what I am seen. I have used it 7 times to get into a BA group and let me tell you, I am the WORST BA player out there. Hell, I have not even made it past the first boss on either side without dying. And yet, even after telling my group that i am bad, they have always made me feel welcomed and encouraged me to just try my best and learn the bosses.

I am on Aether so maybe that is part of it, but I also tend to do the runs in the mornings when many Euro people are playing and I have yet to see any sniping going on. Many in the instance just want to do their own thing and ignore the portals. I think as word is getting out that the discord method is the best way to get a big run, people are not trying to form parties by themselves much anymore.

As for sniping itself, well there is really nothing that can be done since it IS a 'public' dungeon and as someone said, no one owns the portals, first come first served and all that.

Anonymity WILL make people annoying asses.

[TheGrimace]

Tbh, a lot of it is content design. BA progression should have MORE positive effects on the outside aside from one annoying NM.

Clear the twins? Bunny fate drops more gold chests.
Clear Raiden? NMs drop more crystals.
Clear support fate? Temporary drop rate increase of moisture-warped lockboxes.
Clear AV? NMs spawn faster. Throw in some lore about Eureka destabilizing or something.
Clear Ozma? Extend these effects for the whole zone for 30 minutes.

These are really good ideas. Having carrots outside of BA is a good way to keep people interested, especially if Ovni doesn't pop all the time when people are in BA.

[DrWho2010]

These are really good ideas. Having carrots outside of BA is a good way to keep people interested, especially if Ovni doesn't pop all the time when people are in BA.

there's having carrots and then there's being waaay to generous with rewards. a balance has to be struck somewhere. and it's usually on the conservative side of things.

[Ramesses]

Tbh, a lot of it is content design. BA progression should have MORE positive effects on the outside aside from one annoying NM.

Clear the twins? Bunny fate drops more gold chests.
Clear Raiden? NMs drop more crystals.
Clear support fate? Temporary drop rate increase of moisture-warped lockboxes.
Clear AV? NMs spawn faster. Throw in some lore about Eureka destabilizing or something.
Clear Ozma? Extend these effects for the whole zone for 30 minutes.

Thank you for this.

You honestly consolidated a couple of the suggestions that some of us had been talking about in-game.

And YatoShishi was spot on with the statement... "For some reason we do not manage to play together and respect each other". Truth is, we haven't played well with each other or respected each other for a long time in real life...and this has gradually permeated itself into how we interact online.

[Celenia]

Nah just make it the party inside BA clear ozma, all outside get ozma clear. Make people have reason to support better and allow people with high chance of clearing it to go in. (Just make 1 achievement for this (like thank you support team))

[Enjuden]

Nah just make it the party inside BA clear ozma, all outside get ozma clear. Make people have reason to support better and allow people with high chance of clearing it to go in. (Just make 1 achievement for this (like thank you support team))

I don't believe in people who won't bother to try getting a reward from content they didn't do. Outside player rewards for people who clear inside? Absolutely. Not the reward for people who actually did the dungeon though. That's just entitlement. Sylow pretty much has the perfect rewards listed.

BTW and on a different topic, taking a portal and instantly leaving when most/all portals are taken is griefing/sabotage and is reportable. Look it up, or think on why it is for a moment. If they are legitimately doing the content, it isn't, but leaving instantly is an intent to ruin a group's run. There is 5 minutes of wait time before a red portal shows up, and multiple warnings of 'Are you sure, are you really really sure' etc., so there is no excuse to essentially lock out people from the content for the sake of doing so.