BA shows that we fail as a Community (big time)

[Exiled_Tonberry]

What did they think was going to happen in content where half of the instance at any given time is afk waiting to shout for free loot? I'm not saying SE encouraged it, but they sure didn't do anything to mitigate the lazy mentality of Eureka players.

[TheGrimace]

Just witnessed a 15+ minute long argument over people arguing about portal rights-of-use. This situation is so stupid and now I have to listen to everyone incessantly argue about it, even in the game. When it's this widespread that you can't even properly play content without being bombarded with constant negativity in shout chat (an essential tool of Eureka), the problems need to be addressed.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

How are the jp datacenters handling it? Are they using discord to coordinate, or do they just hop in and do it with whoever they get?

[Myon88]

How are the jp datacenters handling it? Are they using discord to coordinate, or do they just hop in and do it with whoever they get?

Here on elemental, they just form groups out of whoever got into the dungeon. The portals are a free for all, and while people occasionally will defer to someone who arrived first, it's not uncommon for someone to show up at the last minute and attempt to contest you for it anyway. I feel like there aren't too many hard feelings over portals. You see a lot of jokes about how people are going to duel for portals and like 'Let's have a good match', I think generally people agree that the portal situation is just screwed up all around. Plus, since most people ditch the FATE early to get there 'first', being there before someone else isn't much of a moral high ground.

After this, you're at the mercy of whichever jobs get in, and some runs (about a third of them in my experience, are voluntarily ended with everyone returning after Raiden if the raid sees there aren't enough tanks, but thus far every raid that has proceeded to AV has killed it (most still wipe to Ozma however, so the average pug here isn't that good yet, give them another week or so). Everything is done via text chat in yell (to differentiate it from people shouting for NMs outside). I've also yet to see a single raid wipe at any point before Ozma, the stories I hear of people wiping to the spear twins or the trash leading to the twins seem pretty inconceivable.

I have no doubt some mass premades exist, but in the 2 weeks the patch has been out, I've only been in one instance where a large premade has announced their presence. It seems more common for people to venture in in a full party at most, and then work with the other full parties and pugs who have entered.

[Barraind]

Here on elemental, they just form groups out of whoever got into the dungeon. The portals are a free for all, and while people occasionally will defer to someone who arrived first, it's not uncommon for someone to show up at the last minute and attempt to contest you for it anyway. After this, you're at the mercy of whichever jobs get in, and some runs (about a third of them in my experience, are voluntarily ended with everyone returning after Raiden if the raid sees there aren't enough tanks, but thus far every raid that has proceeded to AV has killed it (most still wipe to Ozma however, so the average pug here isn't that good yet, give them another week or so).

Everything is done via text chat in yell (to differentiate it from people shouting for NMs outside). I've also yet to see a single raid wipe at any point before Ozma, the stories I hear of people wiping to the spear twins or the trash leading to the twins seem pretty inconceivable.

I have no doubt some mass premades exist, but in the 2 weeks the patch has been out, I've only been in one instance where a large premade has announced their presence. It seems more common for people to venture in in a full party at most, and then work with the other full parties and pugs who have entered.

Aether did this for a couple days.

Not really since the discord went from 1 or 2 channels to like 8 or 9 though.

[Xellos2099]

Here on elemental, they just form groups out of whoever got into the dungeon. The portals are a free for all, and while people occasionally will defer to someone who arrived first, it's not uncommon for someone to show up at the last minute and attempt to contest you for it anyway. I feel like there aren't too many hard feelings over portals. You see a lot of jokes about how people are going to duel for portals and like 'Let's have a good match', I think generally people agree that the portal situation is just screwed up all around. Plus, since most people ditch the FATE early to get there 'first', being there before someone else isn't much of a moral high ground.

After this, you're at the mercy of whichever jobs get in, and some runs (about a third of them in my experience, are voluntarily ended with everyone returning after Raiden if the raid sees there aren't enough tanks, but thus far every raid that has proceeded to AV has killed it (most still wipe to Ozma however, so the average pug here isn't that good yet, give them another week or so). Everything is done via text chat in yell (to differentiate it from people shouting for NMs outside). I've also yet to see a single raid wipe at any point before Ozma, the stories I hear of people wiping to the spear twins or the trash leading to the twins seem pretty inconceivable.

I have no doubt some mass premades exist, but in the 2 weeks the patch has been out, I've only been in one instance where a large premade has announced their presence. It seems more common for people to venture in in a full party at most, and then work with the other full parties and pugs who have entered.

Trust me i have seen party wipe before they can get to Art before. One time there are no big allaince and some people want to go in, I end up joining for science. A little more than 16 join, i went to owain side and the other went to art. By the time we got to owain we were asking how the other side is doing, the out they wipe already.

[Wyvernheart]

The discord peeps think they run the place.

[Rufalus]

I think the idea behind BA is really good, the real issue is the community. People are savages, just look how they interact with each others...

Yeah I always liked the content in each eureka more than the people there. It's been a little while since I've seen any really bad harassment so maybe it's cooling off a bit now thankfully. At the worst times I found it really hard to understand the point of all the cyber bullying going on in shout chat and my conclusion is just that there's probably a lot of people with bad childhoods who didn't get any love from their parents and were maybe bullied themselves so they learned to be harsh and fight back at the world.

That's the only way I can explain the gangs of lowlife people who turn any discussion into fight and seem to have an endgame of getting somebody to kill themselves through a relentless barrage of psychological attacks and public shaming in and out of the game. Over time it just became my expectation that large content will have badly behaved trolls who can't be reasoned with and it made me engage with the community less and do my own thing. In recent weeks I've seen a lot of nice and helpful people who changed my mind a bit.

[Physic]

I can only speak for EU Datacenter and from what I read on the english forums about NA servers but in my opinion BA or rather open dungeons do not work in our society. It brings out the worst in people

On EU Datacenter we even have a whole subculture of people lurking in Discord Channels and stalking premade groups, instance hoping with them, "stealing" a portal and mocking the parties who entered. (and yes those people get reported for stalking)

(please note Iam not saying everyone who uses a portal without a group is a sniper or does it on purpose, but lets be honest, most people do it "just to prove a point" or to get some sort of kick out of it, aka trolling)

We as a community failed. For some reason we do not manage to play together and respect each other.

My opinion is if you do NOT manage to get a bunch of people together inside eureka with a serious number of people to actually can encounter bosses (before the fate spawns, you rly need time to prepare) please let people with premade parties enjoy the content.

actually the whole reason NA has a problem with this content, is that they are trying to turn public content into organized premade content. Its actively not supposed to be that kind of thing.

notice, there are no good tools for gathering 48 people in an instance

the portals are not linked to parties or groups.

there is a magia board and logogram and big area with no monsters for people enter and adjust


the flow chart for this event is supposed to be, people enter baldesian, then organize. they discuss what they need, adapt with what they have, then attempt the content.

its not, in general supposed to be a 2 hour organization process.

and yes, many people wish to attempt it who havent preformed groups, but they believe no one will actually go in. This is why they designed it for organization to occur after entry. if itbecomes a preformed activity, the event will almost never fire, and be un attemptable for the vast majority of players.

which is what its currently becoming.

the whole of eureka has always been designed with a public, show up and attempt these bosses paradigm. BA is meant to be similar but with higher stakes.

now its clear, for our servers it has not succeeded, but the solution, for what they were attempting is not to have better tools for organizing 48 people outside the instance, thats actually the opposite of the goal of the content.

they want open world people to be able to attempt a difficult encounter, fairly shortly after entering hydatos, this is supposed to be and endgame fitting the type of player who enjoyed eureka's open world format. Its supposed to be fairly common to attempt, though rarer to perfectly complete.

[KageTokage]

BA would work if you could actually get 56 players interested in the place into the same instance reliably. It generally takes several hours before so much as even a shard run is able to form without Discord from my experience.

Maybe they could have some kind of match-making toggle that allows people who actually want to do it be placed into the same instance.