BA shows that we fail as a Community (big time)

[Metalwrath]

They updated the TOS the moment they realized what BA was going to do to the community in NA/EU.

It's more that they knew what people were like so they updated the TOS to try and encourage players to get along for the content.
This hasnt been succesful as a deterant by the looks of it.

[Xellos2099]

This pretty much it. A few days ago i was in an instance with no raid group in sight and after killing ufo a few people want to go in. I was thinking why the hell not, I can always use more fragment. I think we got a little more than 16 people. i went with Owain side and by the time we got to Owain the other side wiped before they even get to Art. Majority of the people in Eureka are not ready for the difficulty spike known as BA. Beginner like those will piss a lot of people off when doing AV as it can easily wipe the raid if you do not know what you are doing. But I agree snipper only happen when a raid group is in. What sniper don't understand is that there are no free loot just for joining and healer are not going to waste a possible sac on you,

[Ladon]

I think all of this is hilarious. This type of content would have done fine in any other MMO but here is the result of a game that shaped a community of people used to being rewarded by carries, catch up mechanics and bad play. Throw in the zero accountably the fully instanced duty system has created and it should be little surprise to anyone this is the result.

[Liam_Harper]

I think all of this is hilarious. This type of content would have done fine in any other MMO but here is the result of a game that shaped a community of people used to being rewarded by carries, catch up mechanics and bad play. Throw in the zero accountably the fully instanced duty system has created and it should be little surprise to anyone this is the result.

This is true.

Similar to Savage, almost nothing ingame prepares you for BA. You're the Warrior of Light, you beat every instance you walk into. Here have the echo, unlimited rezzes, extremely forgiving dps checks, no parsers don't worry no one can see your performance, no it's fine if you don't get your job crystal at 40, yes you may bring that i50 weapon into the Vault, yes you deserve a carry, did we mention how awesome you are?

Portal, sure they're open to everyone! It's Public! You're entitled, yes we said it's difficult but you know you're awesome! In you go... and next thing they throw the most unforgiving content possible at your face with no mercy whatsoever. Does make you wonder.

[Vanitas]

We're all petty in our own ways deep down

[Mixt]

I have only managed to get into BA with enough people to actually try it out two times.

First time there are three groups, one group on one side and two on the other.

We manage to get to the first boss, but then the tank in the other group on that side immediately pulls the boss, before the group on the other side can arrive at their boss.

A few seconds later the boss does a 999999 damage unavoidable room-wide AOE.
Wipe.

The tank who pulled is all "WTF?" and starts cussing.

Second time around in the corridor full of trash mobs leading up to the first boss one DPS is all "Big pulls!" and when ignored he runs ahead, aggroes multiple trash mobs and then RUNS BACK INTO THE MIDDLE OF THE PARTY WITH THEM CHASING HIM.

Wipe.

And the DPS with his "Ranged attack aggro the mobs and then run back to the tank because BIG PULLS are FASTAH" acts like it's my fault we all died.
Because apparantly expecting me to be able to tank more than one of those trash mobs when 5 magicite in defense, Shield Oath AND a defensive cooldown still means 10k+ damage per auto is totally reasonable.

For The Great Dragons Sake, you can't treat this place like a normal dungeon!

[Xellos2099]

I have only managed to get into BA with enough people to actually try it out two times.

First time there are three groups, one group on one side and two on the other.

We manage to get to the first boss, but then the tank in the other group on that side immediately pulls the boss, before the group on the other side can arrive at their boss.

A few seconds later the boss does a 999999 damage unavoidable room-wide AOE.
Wipe.

The tank who pulled is all "WTF?" and starts cussing.

Second time around in the corridor full of trash mobs leading up to the first boss one DPS is all "Big pulls!" and when ignored he runs ahead, aggroes multiple trash mobs and then RUNS BACK INTO THE MIDDLE OF THE PARTY WITH THEM CHASING HIM.

Wipe.

And the DPS with his "Ranged attack aggro the mobs and then run back to the tank because BIG PULLS are FASTAH" acts like it's my fault we all died.
Because apparantly expecting me to be able to tank more than one of those trash mobs when 5 magicite in defense, Shield Oath AND a defensive cooldown still means 10k+ damage per auto is totally reasonable.

For The Great Dragons Sake, you can't treat this place like a normal dungeon!

This is generally what happen when you get a pure pug pt. I guess in a way discord pt are pug too since it is not a static but an organized pug pt.

[MorbolvampireQueen6]

If content doesn't inspire people to work together then it's the design that has failed. 24 man raids do just fine in getting a big group of total strangers to co-operate and teach each other.

Oh that so is that y everyone is always yelling at each other <.> or going all grammar police on macros

[AxlStream]

So BA shows we failed? Not the mindset of the average community member when tackling content? You'd think having over half the community getting carried in EX fights would be a pretty damning sign of failure.

[Barraind]

once those Parties manage to get into a instance together and people figured "wait, there are 4 parties int here who wanna do BA" THEN all of a sudden everyone has interest

Uh... yeah, that's how things work.

"Hey, I want to do this content, but it doesnt seem like anyone else really wants to" vs "I want to do this content and so do other people!".