BA shows that we fail as a Community (big time)

[Nihility]

24 man raids for the most part only work because they're queueable in duty finder. The primary botch I see on BA is the way they chose to implement entrance with the whole scattered random portals thing. Aside from that it's just a higher chance of getting a random idiot because the player count is higher. However its a risk on any duty even with premades unless you only invite people you know specifically beforehand. I still see instances of titan EX where all but myself and 1 other person get launched off the platform on the first landslide.

honestly running BA would be a complete joke if it wasn't for the resurrection restriction debuff. Maybe that's how they'll eventually nerf it, just remove that debuff and the average eureka players strategy of clumsily dps while standing in literally every aoe will get you through

[Wizel]

I think they should remove the "no rez" debuff in the instance when you are not on the bosses. Only allow raises from the Logo's action, maybe lower that from 99 uses to like 3 or 5. When the boss is up and the fight starts no raising can happen outside of Rememberance, that way a wipe is still possible on AV and Ozma but not as bad on doing trash and lower bosses. I think that would be a good solution for making it easier but not super easy.

[Kazrah]

If content doesn't inspire people to work together then it's the design that has failed. 24 man raids do just fine in getting a big group of total strangers to co-operate and teach each other.

This is pretty much my view of it. BA hasn't really shown the community failing so much as it simply has limits of cooperative ability that devs either forgot to take into account or are unsure of how to take it into account. Either way, it's the creators of the content--not the consumers--who are at fault for the issues surrounding BA and the lack of consideration toward what few players are willing to drag their way through the four hells of Eureka in order to put up with running it.

[Kazgrel]

It's not a community failure, it's a game design failure with how ridiculous it is to get an organized group into BA.

The community has gone out of the way to try and make accessing BA as smooth as possible. Problem is it's as smooth as a pothole-riddled stretch of highway, and the community can only cover so many of those potholes.

[Vahlnir]

It's not a community failure, it's a game design failure with how ridiculous it is to get an organized group into BA.

The community has gone out of the way to try and make accessing BA as smooth as possible. Problem is it's as smooth as a pothole-riddled stretch of highway, and the community can only cover so many of those potholes.

Yep, pretty much.

[Deceptus]

It's not a community failure, it's a game design failure with how ridiculous it is to get an organized group into BA.

The community has gone out of the way to try and make accessing BA as smooth as possible. Problem is it's as smooth as a pothole-riddled stretch of highway, and the community can only cover so many of those potholes.

The fact that you are almost required to use a third party software in order to play a certain aspect of FFXIV despite doing so is against the ToS and the developers suspending or canceling accounts when you do is telling.

They screwed up royally and now they have to somehow fix this mess up. Or they can pull a Diadem and just forget about it. Wonder what they're going to do?

[Vahlnir]

The fact that you are almost required to use a third party software in order to play a certain aspect of FFXIV despite doing so is against the ToS and the developers suspending or canceling accounts when you do is telling.

They screwed up royally and now they have to somehow fix this mess up. Or they can pull a Diadem and just forget about it. Wonder what they're going to do?

If they were going to pull a Diadem they'd simply turn BA into a bunch of Fates with a random chance of encountering Absolute Virtue, followed by a random chance of getting any reward at all.

[HyoMinPark]

The fact that you are almost required to use a third party software in order to play a certain aspect of FFXIV despite doing so is against the ToS and the developers suspending or canceling accounts when you do is telling.

Are you referring to Discord? Because using Discord while playing FFXIV is not against the ToS. It does not interact with or modify the game or game files in any way.

[Kazgrel]

The fact that you are almost required to use a third party software in order to play a certain aspect of FFXIV despite doing so is against the ToS and the developers suspending or canceling accounts when you do is telling.

They screwed up royally and now they have to somehow fix this mess up. Or they can pull a Diadem and just forget about it. Wonder what they're going to do?

It isn't against ToS since it doesn't modify the game files/code. You may as well be saying having a web browser open and posting on here or elsewhere to organize BA groups is against ToS.

I do share your concern, though, that BA goes the way of Diadem's EM in the next month or so. I think it'll take a little longer due to the rewards kept within it (the mount being guaranteed from a clear helps), but come 5.0 I expect it'll be as dead as EMs. I hope I'm wrong.

[Burningskull]

I can only speak for EU Datacenter and from what I read on the english forums about NA servers but in my opinion BA or rather open dungeons do not work in our society. It brings out the worst in people.

My experience (Iam alot in Eureka) is that Parties withing Hydatos NEVER form. No one shows interest into portals or BA. Sometimes they max get 1 Party together (which is really rare) shouting AFTER the boss is dead. So there is also the problem of being 0 prepared. So the solution for most people is: premade parties via partyfinder or via a discord channel.

Now, once those Parties manage to get into a instance together and people figured "wait, there are 4 parties int here who wanna do BA" THEN all of a sudden everyone has interest and its "everyones portal" so the result of that is, you guessed it, sniping. If to many sniper make it into the dungeon the result is the premade group leaves and everyone just wasted their time. Or if a sniper gets invited into the group it usualy ends up the sniper wiping the party. Another waste of time on everyones hand.

On EU Datacenter we even have a whole subculture of people lurking in Discord Channels and stalking premade groups, instance hoping with them, "stealing" a portal and mocking the parties who entered. (and yes those people get reported for stalking)

(please note Iam not saying everyone who uses a portal without a group is a sniper or does it on purpose, but lets be honest, most people do it "just to prove a point" or to get some sort of kick out of it, aka trolling)

We as a community failed. For some reason we do not manage to play together and respect each other.

My opinion is if you do NOT manage to get a bunch of people together inside eureka with a serious number of people to actually can encounter bosses (before the fate spawns, you rly need time to prepare) please let people with premade parties enjoy the content.

This is why nothing in the game outside of BA has a claim system. It doesn't encourage teamwork, just "oh you wanted this? to bad" mentality.

They tried something new, parts of it succeeded, parts of it failed.

I kinda wish SE would quit trying new stuff. Every time they do it either turns out horrible, (Diadem, Eureka, BLU), or only the "hardcore" fan base like it. (Deep Dungeon challenge floors, Ultimate fights.) Not to mention we lost a Dungeon, Hildabrand Trials (which have been gone since ARR), MSQ Trials like Crysalis (Which I think have been gone since ARR?). I'd rather they work on making the content that does work better. Tying some of the things to the MSQ like 8 man raids, 24 man raids, and the primal fights so that it seems like all the extra stuff we are doing is impacting the world. Let the Devs make more mahjong games in their free time. Of course this is just my opinion so... probably doesn't matter in the long run to SE lol.