Hydatos support NM rewards..

[Bright-Flower]

Absolute Virtue has a buff that will one shot everyone if it's not dispelled by completing the support fate outside. The bonus of clearing the support fate grants 8 more people access to the BA at that point to help the 48 people already inside to clear AV and then go on to Proto-Ozma. 48+8=56

Huh. That's... an interesting but I'd hesitate to say good design choice.

[Barraind]

I'd be cool with seeing the support NM either dropping 9 fragments + rare mat chance -or- have no associated loot.

One rewards those who could be inside but chose not to. The other puts an onus on those inside to have some goodwill built up with those outside, or have groups outside dedicated to supporting them.

I honestly think tying outside NM's to inside fights is silly, but if you're going to do it, go all the way with it.

And if theres a thought of "we dont want people doing the first 2 bosses then returning and doing the support nm for more fragments" lock returning once raiden dies until BA times out or the support nm dies.

[reivaxe]

I agree, there needs to be some top of the line rewards to give people reason to do support fates.

Should drop 3 to 5 frags with a chance at seals or cloths. That way, if you do enough HELPING BA RUNS fates you can slowly upgrade your gear to the point where you feel more comfy trying it. That's basically what people are doing with frag farm runs, do the easy stuff so that you're better geared for the hard stuff.

Should also have a chance at a realy good ba minion. Maybe a minion ozma to go with the mount. That way people can say "hey, I think I'll just chill outside and help ... Cause I want that minion!" Or "oh, a discord claimed this instance? Cool, we get that support fate now".

Should also give 20 crystals cause its super annoying.

So yeah, tldr ...
It should give you frags for slow but reliable gear progression, it should give more crystals because of it's difficulty and it should give a small chance at seals and an exclusive minion to encourage people to do it regardless of their interest in helping runners.

The way ba is designed ... Before it dies its either gonna became truly epic pvp driven by salt or completely run by discords ability to muster up enough people to control an instance fully.

[Allistar]

Huh. That's... an interesting but I'd hesitate to say good design choice.

You can say it is a bad design... Just my opinion.

[Youkulm]

You can say it is a bad design... Just my opinion.

Not sure i've spoken to anyone that would disagree. It is for sure bad design. I can't imagine how people feel on the inside of BA praying that the instance will kill the NM just so they can have a chance to possibly kill AV.

[Alleo]

Absolute Virtue has a buff that will one shot everyone if it's not dispelled by completing the support fate outside. The bonus of clearing the support fate grants 8 more people access to the BA at that point to help the 48 people already inside to clear AV and then go on to Proto-Ozma. 48+8=56

So they kinda made content that needs x amount of people in the future to even has a chance at clearing it? I can already see it...groups selling others their help by doing that fate so that the other players even just stand a chance at all.

[reivaxe]

I agree, there needs to be some top of the line rewards to give people reason to do support fates.

Should drop 3 to 5 frags with a chance at seals or cloths. That way, if you do enough HELPING BA RUNS fates you can slowly upgrade your gear to the point where you feel more comfy trying it. That's basically what people are doing with frag farm runs, do the easy stuff so that you're better geared for the hard stuff.

Should also have a chance at a realy good ba minion. Maybe a minion ozma to go with the mount. That way people can say "hey, I think I'll just chill outside and help ... Cause I want that minion!" Or "oh, a discord claimed this instance? Cool, we get that support fate now".

Should also give 20 crystals cause its super annoying.

So yeah, tldr ...
It should give you frags for slow but reliable gear progression, it should give more crystals because of it's difficulty and it should give a small chance at seals and an exclusive minion to encourage people to do it regardless of their interest in helping runners.

The way ba is designed ... Before it dies its either gonna became truly epic pvp driven by salt or completely run by discords ability to muster up enough people to control an instance fully.

[Zumi]

NM should at least give eureka fragments that would be a better start.

[Vahlnir]

I was just happy to get 10 crystals but I wouldn't be opposed to other potential rewards from this fate...if I ever enter Hydatos again. I got what I wanted and don't foresee it happening though.

[Nyvara]

Which NMs are the support fates?