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    Quote Originally Posted by kidalutz View Post

    Tyranny and Oppression are the very epitome of Chaos. Mass destruction of lives again Chaos. in stopping these things things are brought to Order. and there will never be peace as long as the empire continues to function as it does. just as there will never be peace between the beast tribes and the rest of Eorzea however smaller conflicts are the natural course of life in general. so in the end the WoL is creating peace but for peace to happen there needs to be war and a clear victor.
    Control is a form of Order. Breaking oppression is a form of chaos. Rebellion and Freedom are just forms of chaos. The state of absolute freedom is a state of total chaos.

    op·pres·sion
    /əˈpreSHən/

    noun
    prolonged cruel or unjust treatment or control.
    "a region shattered by oppression and killing"
    synonyms: persecution, abuse, maltreatment, ill treatment, tyranny, despotism, repression, suppression, subjection, subjugation, enslavement, exploitation; More
    the state of being subject to unjust treatment or control.

    or·der
    /ˈôrdər/

    noun
    a state in which the laws and rules regulating the public behavior of members of a community are observed and authority is obeyed.

    cha·os

    noun
    complete disorder and confusion.

    antonyms: order, orderliness
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    Maybe the aether inside our characters will cause the flood of light if we are not careful. Our characters are very powerful compared to the general public, and we have killed many primals and bathed in their aether in doing so. Maybe we are converting that aether into light because of our crystals of light, perhaps we have to start collecting dark crystals? We know ascians have them, so we might even start killing ascians for the crystals?

    I am just grabbing at straws here though.
    It might explain why the WoDs had to come to our world and kill primals, maybe they had crystals of darkness to convert their primal aether into darkness to take back to their world?
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    I think it's more that Hydaelyn's becoming too powerful rather than "the present state of the world is too full of light". Because there's still all sorts of issues in Ul'dah, Gridania, and Limsa that haven't been addressed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berteaux_Braumegain View Post
    I think it's more that Hydaelyn's becoming too powerful rather than "the present state of the world is too full of light". Because there's still all sorts of issues in Ul'dah, Gridania, and Limsa that haven't been addressed.
    I'm not sure this is the case though, because in a storyline quest Matoya uses a crystal of light from long ago (that orb thing), since they are more powerful than the ones nowadays (Iirc, it's been a while since I did that quest so I could be mis-remembering). If anything Hydaelyn may be growing weaker over time. That's what has lead me to believe maybe our character itself is becoming too powerful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NessaWyvern View Post
    I'm not sure this is the case though, because in a storyline quest Matoya uses a crystal of light from long ago (that orb thing), since they are more powerful than the ones nowadays (Iirc, it's been a while since I did that quest so I could be mis-remembering). If anything Hydaelyn may be growing weaker over time. That's what has lead me to believe maybe our character itself is becoming too powerful.
    I like the idea, but wouldn't that imply that our WoL is of equal (or greater) strength than all other Ascians combined on our shard currently?
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    Yet Solus not appointing an heir created the chaos that he wanted to happen after his death. There was also order at least in Doma before the Empire came. Also lets not forget that there was a resistance happening before the WoL was even involved.
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    The story leading up to the flood of light is still being told. Honestly, all it takes is Garlemald to somehow falter or become light aligned to shift the balance to the brink. Garlemald seems to be at the root of most conflicts, especially since we ended the dragonsong war.
    As pointed out during the alliance's conversation with Varis, the beast tribes primal summoning increased after Garlemald made moves against them. Even the beast tribes are far less chaotic without Garlemald's influence.

    I'm expecting a time skip sometime during or immediately after the next patch. I think the current rulers of Garlemald are going to get wrecked and then the Popularis may take over the nation, leaving the world with no significant source of darkness.

    When the last patch ended, Garlemald was losing a battle it should theoretically be able to win, easily. The Ascian possessed Zenos is obviously getting wrecked by the WoL in the Shadowbringers cutscene.
    I don't think these are coincidences. If we defeat Garlemald, where does the darkness come from afterwards? It looks to me like the flood of light coincides with Garlemald's defeat.
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    It's a farce to suggest that the world as it currently exists is a bastion of Light, unless you come up with some really screwball definition of what "light" is. The world is not full to saturation with "good", "order", or even "illumination". Or if it is, then the bar of "balance" is set so low that a "balanced" world would be a truly horrible place in which to live.

    No, if a catastrophe of Light is on the horizon it won't be because of what the WoL has done, and probably won't be because of what the WoL WILL do. My guess is that the big hint came with Solus and his mutterings about the Black Rose "bonding with Light". I suspect that the BR will be used in some fashion which unleashes an uncontrollable wave of Light across the world.

    So, basically, it will be the Asican's fault. As usual.

    Regardless, whoever is at at fault, it'll be the WoL's job to clean up, also as usual. Because Light is the problem, the WoL will embrace the Dark - and thus will a χ-blade be created, the final piece in my plan to unlock KINGDOM HEARTS and rule ALL THE WORLDS! BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Berteaux_Braumegain View Post
    I think it's more that Hydaelyn's becoming too powerful rather than "the present state of the world is too full of light". Because there's still all sorts of issues in Ul'dah, Gridania, and Limsa that haven't been addressed.
    The problem with this is that Hydaelyn is the weakest she's been in thousands of years - a deliberate result of the Ascians forcing her hand to protect the Warrior of Light on multiple occasions - saving us from Ultima being the blow that finally rendered her effectively impotent. The whole reason she recruited Minfilia as her Emissary is that she was no longer strong enough to even TALK to us directly. No, Hydaelyn is definitely not "too powerful" - just the opposite!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LineageRazor View Post
    Regardless, whoever is at at fault, it'll be the WoL's job to clean up, also as usual. Because Light is the problem, the WoL will embrace the Dark - and thus will a χ-blade be created, the final piece in my plan to unlock KINGDOM HEARTS and rule ALL THE WORLDS! BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
    Well, the Door is already right there in the Chrysalis...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LineageRazor View Post
    So, basically, it will be the Asican's fault. As usual.
    Not necessarily. At this point it is looking very likely that Hydaelyn may be to blame as well. Jenomis makes it a point to describe Ultima as a being with morals beyond mortal comprehension - a statement easily applicable to Hydaelyn and Zodiark.

    It's particularly interesting when considering that Hydaelyn and Zodiark used to be a single entity...and that Hydaelyn/Zodiark are depicted using the same 'hands over chest' pose as Ultima herself. All three are also tied directly to crystals that empower their servants.
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