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    Eorzea has too much Light? How?

    So I gather that the problem of the Eorzea now is there's too much Light. The Warrior of Light has been too heroic and the world faces destruction from imbalance.

    However, the actions of the Warrior of Light have not been able to stop a World War from waging. Brutal repression, slavery, massive loss of life, endless war and attempted genocide from Warriors of Darkness from another world. This is the world with too much Light? Is the moral of the story that war and genocide are good things that bring the world into balance?

    I shudder to think what plunging this into darkness would entail. The Warriors of Darkness tried to wipe out an entire world, mass genocide. How can the story follow in their footsteps? How can we darken the world when nearly everyone dying happened in the "world with too much light"? Am I missing something?
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    I don't think the source is the one with too much light. From what we know the 1st could have filled up with too much that with even sending Minfilia to soak up light isn't enough to stop a flood. Like if you were going for help right before a damn burst type of thing where you went for help a little too late.
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    Yeah, we've been grinding up and snorting too many light crystals. If we keep that up it's going to hit the fan. So too balance it out we need to start grinding up and snorting dark crystals.

    Don't think too much about morals here. Afterall one mans hero is another mans butcher.
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    After looking at the trailer a couple of times it's worth mentioning that maybe Zenos and co. will be able to harness the light to fulfill their goal. Since everything the WoL represents uses that light as well, I think the approach of the expansion is more of "Use our weakness against our enemies" and less of "Let's join the dark side".

    The focus of this expansion is the Dark Knight, and the whole idea of the Dark Knight is to understand and embrace your negative emotions to use it as fuel to protect your loved ones. If protecting your loves ones mean using darkness to fight an enemy that learned how to harness light, then that's what we oughta do.
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    Light and darkness have nothing to do with good and evil things. They're just two different sources or tools, and as such we might be causing bad stuff while bearing said light (especially if we keep doing as we're being told, regardless of individuals like uncle Middy telling us to think for ourselves). That being said, Eorzea having too much light stems from us winning constantly against the darkness representatives. Remember why the light flood happened in the WoDs world: they got rid of all the ascians there and "won". So, yeah, we're about to go to war. But what will happen if we succeed and kill Fake-Zenos/Elidibus?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edax View Post
    So I gather that the problem of the Eorzea now is there's too much Light. The Warrior of Light has been too heroic and the world faces destruction from imbalance.

    However, the actions of the Warrior of Light have not been able to stop a World War from waging. Brutal repression, slavery, massive loss of life, endless war and attempted genocide from Warriors of Darkness from another world. This is the world with too much Light? Is the moral of the story that war and genocide are good things that bring the world into balance?

    I shudder to think what plunging this into darkness would entail. The Warriors of Darkness tried to wipe out an entire world, mass genocide. How can the story follow in their footsteps? How can we darken the world when nearly everyone dying happened in the "world with too much light"? Am I missing something?
    Honestly.. from everything of light and dark that i've seen, it seems like it isn't a conflict of Light and Dark. They use those words, but they don't mean anything. More than not it seems that there's a conflict between chaos and order; which is the theme of a lot of other FF conflicts.
    It's just that it's easiest to display chaos and order by stopping/starting war.

    So it's not that the world has too much light, but that the WoL is imposing too much order on the world. We are effectively putting an end to every conflict across every continent we come across, and as a byproduct, stopping everyone from making their own decisions because the WoL is telling people what the best end to every conflict is (or forcing it on them). If we eventually defeat the Ascians on our shard, the major force that tries to cause chaos in the world would be gone and the light would start to take over; just like if the Ascians defeated Hydalen's chosen, the largest force of order would be gone and darkness would start taking hold.
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    Oh, we're not plunging OUR world into darkness. The expansion's going to take us to Derplander's shard which was being devoured by light. That's why Menfilila went over there, to try to stime it. But obviously as seen in the trailer thus far, the "light void" critters or whatever they end up being called aren't taking kindly to that. So, per usual, we have to save the day. But obviously, being a Warrior of Light isn't going to help here, so we become the Warrior of Darkness, not to plunge that world into Darkness, but to bring it back to balance, preventing the shard's destruction.

    Why? What do we get out of it? Calamities in the Prime happen when a Shard gets destroyed. Stop the shard from being destroyed, no Calamity. What Calamity? Well, I think it has something to do with the former Emperor's plan with the Black Rose. ===TWIN DOOMS ONLY WE CAN FORESTALL === I mean, that is the whole Ascian's raison d'etre. To destroy all the shards, and cause Calamities in order to cause the Convergence and restore Zodiark.
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    They've been pretty vague about what exactly causes the balance to shift and what too much light or dark actually means. Maybe 4.5 part 2 or 5.0 will go into more detail but I'm expecting it to stay the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bright-Flower View Post
    They've been pretty vague about what exactly causes the balance to shift and what too much light or dark actually means. Maybe 4.5 part 2 or 5.0 will go into more detail but I'm expecting it to stay the same.
    Solus is planning to deploy Black Rose during the current conflict and mused that it could be made to somehow interact with the excess Light. 4.57 being the moment of clarity is all but guaranteed, which is part of what makes the wait so awful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frostmagemari View Post
    Honestly.. from everything of light and dark that i've seen, it seems like it isn't a conflict of Light and Dark. They use those words, but they don't mean anything. More than not it seems that there's a conflict between chaos and order; which is the theme of a lot of other FF conflicts.
    It's just that it's easiest to display chaos and order by stopping/starting war.

    So it's not that the world has too much light, but that the WoL is imposing too much order on the world. We are effectively putting an end to every conflict across every continent we come across, and as a byproduct, stopping everyone from making their own decisions because the WoL is telling people what the best end to every conflict is (or forcing it on them). If we eventually defeat the Ascians on our shard, the major force that tries to cause chaos in the world would be gone and the light would start to take over; just like if the Ascians defeated Hydalen's chosen, the largest force of order would be gone and darkness would start taking hold.
    But the WoL has turned Doma and Ala Mhigo into warzones. Before the WoL arrived, it was a place of brutal order and instead turned it into a hotspot of conflict. While WoL has imposed order on Ishgard, the next expansion was about removing order from far off lands. And the Ascians are actively fueling conflict along with the WoL so I don't really see the problem the WoL is causing in terms of "balance".
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