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  1. #11
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    Llugen's Avatar
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    Zera Vyre
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    Midgardsormr
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    Black Mage Lv 90
    The only reason I would be opposed to it being ground targeted with your proposed effects is because BLM already has too many off-GCDs for how few you can fit into a window without clipping. If they decide to fix that problem (see my post in the other thread about BLM in 5.0 here), then I would not be opposed to it, however I think there needs to be a tightening up of AOE rotation anyway, and Freeze is the perfect candidate.
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    Player Neela's Avatar
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    Flower Girl
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    Zodiark
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnycbad View Post
    BLM already has Sleep and Break, no need for another crowd control spell. The damage is rather weak (just used below 50 as a Blizzard 2 replacement) and it's never used at 70. I propose it's turned into either an oGCD damage spell (like Contre Sixte) or made into a targeted ground AoE puddle DoT like Shadow Flare that slows or weighs down things in the circle.
    most of the Blms want an upgrade for freeze yo... but lately I really get used to it in Eureka, its kinda handy here and there at least for me : o
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    Donny Marc
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    White Mage Lv 70
    By no means a Blm expert either, only at 59, but why not make Freeze grant true-ice on the targets. Like Shiva's Ice circle around the arena, or Blu's Rams Voice.
    Ive noticed that sleep doesn't seem to work on higher content anyway, making that pretty obsolete higher.

    Add this to the changes Llugen said and i think we would have a solid spell.
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  4. #14
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    Seraphus Highwynn
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    Gilgamesh
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    Lancer Lv 100
    Deep Freeze, and that would mean BLM has Sleep, Break, AND Freeze as crowd control--which is excessive. Actually, we already have Freeze as a CC spell, but it needs to be reworked to be useful for some other way in my opinion.
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    Solala Sola
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    Leviathan
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    Black Mage Lv 80
    Does crowd control really matter anywhere outside of eureka...?
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  6. #16
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    The only reason that SE culled crowd control late game is because players were "exploiting" it to do ridiculous things like pull the entire first rooms of Wanderer's Palace and then sleep them to lock them out of the boss room for speedruns.

    In my opinion this reflects poorly on the Dev team's problem solving skills for the way they want dungeons to be handled. A much stronger solution would have been to keep the CC in place but make it so bosses wouldn't appear until all the monsters before it are dead/all the criteria are filled, but I'm sure we could write pages and pages of critique on SE's dungeon design.

    Likewise, Freeze could be used to bind all the targets outside the boss room in Sastasha Hard Mode. And, pre-4.0 BLM also had lethargy and a 40% heavy effect on Blizzard I, so BLM having loads of CC is not new. Freeze was 15 seconds at one point, it might now only be 12 and Blizzard II was 8.

    Under my previous freeze proposal I would have the bind completely removed. If you really needed/could bind something on BLM, Blizzard II is fine.
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    Arlizz Teirez
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    Jenova
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    Monk Lv 90
    Remove bind effect and make it instant cast like scathe.
    That way,it still might not be much useful but obviously better than the current Freeze.
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