Getting into BA is a disaster now

[Zolvolt]

Hello, I'm Zolvolt was a part of the first ozma clear on primal and have a few repeat kills under my belt, for context on where my PoV is coming from.

Before the big wave of players hit 60 getting a full premade into BA was easy but now its quite difficult. Getting your players in is hard enough but most of the time groups are waiting for the group before them to get out of BA first. Square clearly underestimated that level of organization players are going to go through to get clears of this place and the systems in place don't cater to that. Additionally, players don't want to reprogress or risk bringing in a new player to mess up meteors on ozma so premades become very volatile and toxic towards players that enter a public dungeon that they have premades set up to enter. This is because new players risk the whole dungeon and holding their hand all the way through is something many players will simply not do or want to put up with.

I think this is a problem because one of two things.
1.) Eureka instances and by extension Baldescion Arsenal is not set up to allow premades to go in easily. You are always conflicting with others. Premades are your BEST chance at clearing BA too so going in solo is detrimental to the end goal. But going in as a premade is a huge PITA.
2.) You can go into BA as a full premade group. This largely kills the ability for this dungeon to be, well a public dungeon. Its counter intuitive to the very design goal of the dungeon. Being able to form premades at all and game the system to get them in has created a "us" and "them" social structure that the content was not designed around.

So we need fixes, either premades need to be killed or premades need to be accommodated for and honestly I think killing the premades might be the best way to go considering how volatile this "us" vs. "them" mentality is that BA has cultivated. The only way to really alleviate that and keep premades is to allow premades a private instance in my eyes. Anyways I'd love to hear from anyone else who has views on this. I think its a very important topic of discussion for exploratory missions both now and in the future.

[Besame]

Been 60 since last Thursday but you couldn't pay me enough to queue for that toxic place. I hear them bad mouthing and bossing others in shout, no ty.

[Zolvolt]

Its really unfortunate because the dungeon itself is loads of fun to do. But I agree the attitude many players have taken on is very disheartening and infuriating.

[Hasrat]

I've scarcely started SB content, so nowhere near this yet, but, how do you suppose they can kill premades for a public dungeon without nerfing it into the ground?

Sounds a bit like an unfortunate consequence of circumstances. How do you create the "public dungeon" type content, with the level of difficulty they intended, without having it fall victim to the premade mentality?

Perhaps also worth examining the JP popluation's views of the whole thing? Are they seeing similar reactions, or do they approach this style of content in such a way that it doesn't result in such animosity?

[Zolvolt]

JP groups are already pugging BA so it doesn't need to be nerfed and in people mostly complain about "needing a very specific comp" to do BA but its not true at all. A dps can tank with the right logograms. a healer can do decent damage with magic burst + aether weaver. and healing tools are available as well. You can pick up gaps in your parties using logograms excellently. Anyone can do orbs on ozma because of the damage reduction cooldowns and a dps could even mt ozma with proper logos and defensive magicite.

If you have a solid understand of BA and the logograms then you can do anything you want in there.