New ToS gives hope for official DPS meters?

[JackHatchet]

I know this is a controversial topic, but since the new ToS rules means that the GMs can be super-duper strict on toxic behavior--does that mean we could get offical DPS meters?

The biggest negative people have towards DPS meters are that people use them as an excuse to be toxic. Now that people can't afford to be toxic, and Square-Enix is shoring up their loop-holes. Does that really mean we could have non-toxic official DPS meters? Or at least the potential of them?

Would be a fun feature to see them sneak into ShadowBringers.

[AxlStream]

Yoshi P himself went on record that he's hard against parsers being officially supported. Specially after that specific event on a NicoNico (?) livestream a few years back.

[Penthea]

Yoshi P himself went on record that he's hard against parsers being officially supported. Specially after that specific event on a NicoNico (?) livestream a few years back.

NicoNico? What happened?

[AxlStream]

NicoNico? What happened?

Something about an official SE streamer getting harassed live for poor performance? Somebody else will probably reply with more details. I wasn't active when said event happened but I did hear of it, which speaks of it's impact on the parser stance of both SE and the community.

[Penthea]

Something about an official SE streamer getting harassed live for poor performance? Somebody else will probably reply with more details. I wasn't active when said event happened but I did hear of it, which speaks of it's impact on the parser stance of both SE and the community.

God that actually sounds awful

[Ilan]

Something about an official SE streamer getting harassed live for poor performance? Somebody else will probably reply with more details. I wasn't active when said event happened but I did hear of it, which speaks of it's impact on the parser stance of both SE and the community.

So basically a streamer got harrassed on a streaming plattform? Nothing new and honestly no reason to not allow parsers. Most streamers get targeted BECAUSE they are streaming and because some people feel cool if they can troll around in live streams.

[Penthea]

So basically a streamer got harrassed on a streaming plattform? Nothing new and honestly no reason to not allow parsers. Most streamers get targeted BECAUSE they are streaming and because some people feel cool if they can troll around in live streams.

Streaming is a form of publicity and what happened in that incident isn't good publicity at all no matter what way you look at it. That was not a shining moment for the FFXIV community. Far from it. No one wants their game to become known as a place where harassment incidents are given a public platform. Even Riot clamped down on bad behaviour in LoL because the bad reputation of the playerbase was not something they wanted.

And that streaming incident happened in Japan. A place where manners, humble demeanour and not shaking the boat is very important, even online. It would have been ten times worse in the west where people are far more vocal about the performance quality of others.

[AmemeAmeklin]

So basically a streamer got harrassed on a streaming plattform? Nothing new and honestly no reason to not allow parsers. Most streamers get targeted BECAUSE they are streaming and because some people feel cool if they can troll around in live streams.

After reading what happened I can safely say that this official SE streamer was not only harassed about parses and had the group trolling by spinning the boss around to set her up to fail so they could make fun of her (typical junk to us), she was evidently sexually harassed afterwards. So basically it was one of the worst cases of what can happen with parses being an excuse. JP players are generally very polite and can work together better than us troglodytes over in NA who are going through things like frequent mass shootings and political unrest, so just imagine what we'd do to each other if we had even the slightest excuse.

As a culture we will bully one another and tell our victims to stop being so sensitive, encourage each other to kill ourselves, stalk each other, threaten each other, troll, grief, etc, for 'fun'. Are we acting out due to what's going on in our country right now? Are we just socialized to treat each other like trash? Who knows. But the fact that you seem to dismiss something like 'being harassed on a streaming platform' as nothing just shows how desensitized we are to this behavior.

This kind of nasty socializing has been part of our gaming culture for quite some time (cough WoW cough), but it's clear SE doesn't want that kind of thing to happen. Everyone should have a chance to enjoy the game. You should not have to deal with people harassing you, stalking you, bullying you, when you're just trying to have fun.

[Seddrinth]

So basically a streamer got harrassed on a streaming plattform? Nothing new and honestly no reason to not allow parsers. Most streamers get targeted BECAUSE they are streaming and because some people feel cool if they can troll around in live streams.

I know right? So a streamer got harassed that's more reason to ban parsing? Then why don't SE ban streaming as well?

[m3eansean]

NicoNico? What happened?

If you google "FFXIV Nico Nico live stream parse" you'll find a good reddit thread describing the series of events and the fallout that occurred if you're interested in learning more.