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[KageTokage]

I just had a second BA premade fail because people got salty about us being "entitled" and asking them nicely if they could not take the portals if they aren't in the premade, which let to more then a few people deciding to not touch the support NM.

I think to address potential griefing they need both lengthen the support NM timer and nerf mechanics at AV and Ozma that heavily punish the entire group for screw-ups (That would be the aether orbs and Acceleration Bomb, mainly) and instead just make them instakill their targets if they fail. That's generally how sensitive mechanics in 24 mans function so I don't know why they abandoned that philosophy here because it just breeds frustration.

[Fiorinol]

I just had a second BA premade fail because people got salty about us being "entitled" and asking them nicely if they could not take the portals if they aren't in the premade, which let to more then a few people deciding to not touch the support NM.

I think to address potential griefing they need both lengthen the support NM timer and nerf mechanics at AV and Ozma that heavily punish the entire group for screw-ups (That would be the aether orbs and Acceleration Bomb, mainly) and instead just make them instakill their targets if they fail. That's generally how sensitive mechanics in 24 mans function so I don't know why they abandoned that philosophy here because it just breeds frustration.

Premades always come in with a full roster of 48-56 players and invade the instances with their big boots. Despite what they might say, they will rain down on your parade if you dare take a portal. You're not "asking nicely", you're coming in and monopolizing the instance. This isn't how the content works. Other players have nothing to gain from cooperating with you in any way; they don't get to use any of the portals.

And then these same groups expect other players to go sit in Discord for up to 5 hours instance hopping (see: other posters) to be able to sit in an instance to wait for Ovni to spawn. Ridiculous. I pay a subscription to play the game, not sit on a 3rd party service for hours.

[KageTokage]

As far as the whole "other players don't benefit" thing foes, it really would make sense to make the players outside be rewarded for the success of the players in BA somehow, even if it's just eureka fragments from the support NM.

That would probably be enough to convince people to kill it instead of leaving it alone out of spite.

And yeah, I get people not wanting to use discord...but they do they seriously expect to clear this kind of content in a PUG when the average Eureka player can't do a NM without dying, let alone output the DPS required to beat the enrages on AV and Ozma (Even some people in my first premade were outputting only healer level DPS despite no deaths)? What it seems like to me is that some people show little interest in BA unless they know there's a premade in there, then they'll try to jump into a portal ASAP expecting to be able to be carried to a clear. I' was trying to get into BA via pugs for the first week or so but a group only pulled together successfully maybe twice out of around two dozen Ovni kills. There simply isn't a large amount of interest in the instance in general, at least among unorganized players.

Ultimately, the fault is on SE for having such a lame way of getting into the instance and I think the only way it could work out is to have it be something queue into separately with the ability to password lock and allow only specific people into a prepared instance.

[Nariel]

As far as the whole "other players don't benefit" thing foes, it really would make sense to make the players outside be rewarded for the success of the players in BA somehow, even if it's just eureka fragments from the support NM.

That would probably be enough to convince people to kill it instead of leaving it alone out of spite.

And yeah, I get people not wanting to use discord...but they do they seriously expect to clear this kind of content in a PUG when the average Eureka player can't do a NM without dying, let alone output the DPS required to beat the enrages on AV and Ozma (Even some people in my first premade were outputting only healer level DPS despite no deaths)? What it seems like to me is that some people show little interest in BA unless they know there's a premade in there, then they'll try to jump into a portal ASAP expecting to be able to be carried to a clear.

To be fair thats what happen when dev's bait casual/easy mode player inside niche "oldschool" punishing content.

[Rhus]

Do fates scale when these 56 players go into BA? I ask since yesterday I had an instance that had about 127 people in it (some coming in, some going out but floated around that point for a while) and with 48-56 people in BA, a handful maybe AFk or spiteing...that really doesn't leave many to do fates. That's probably another reason why we don' see many fates spawning (especially the right side ones) and even if they did, would we have he man power and skill to even complete them with half an available instance?

[EorzeaHero69]

Do fates scale when these 56 players go into BA? I ask since yesterday I had an instance that had about 127 people in it (some coming in, some going out but floated around that point for a while) and with 48-56 people in BA, a handful maybe AFk or spiteing...that really doesn't leave many to do fates. That's probably another reason why we don' see many fates spawning (especially the right side ones) and even if they did, would we have he man power and skill to even complete them with half an available instance?

No, FATES scale to how many players are at said fate, so the people inside BA aren't affecting them in anyway. The BA bosses's HP scale to how many players are inside that dungeon (At least the first two bosses I think).

[stanrir]

Ba should have just been something the whole instance can join instead of just 56 people. and if its a premade that joins in 56 people just to tell everyone else they own these portals because they premade in a discord you can start to see the salt rise in the community on both sides

[Alucard135]

What it seems like to me is that some people show little interest in BA unless they know there's a premade in there, then they'll try to jump into a portal ASAP expecting to be able to be carried to a clear.

This is what they basically do

Just grab a portal if there's a premade, pretty much, unless you want to wait 2+ hours to get in.

[KaivaC]

Premades always come in with a full roster of 48-56 players and invade the instances with their big boots. Despite what they might say, they will rain down on your parade if you dare take a portal. You're not "asking nicely", you're coming in and monopolizing the instance. This isn't how the content works. Other players have nothing to gain from cooperating with you in any way; they don't get to use any of the portals.

And then these same groups expect other players to go sit in Discord for up to 5 hours instance hopping (see: other posters) to be able to sit in an instance to wait for Ovni to spawn. Ridiculous. I pay a subscription to play the game, not sit on a 3rd party service for hours.

Those sweet lies that you tell...

[Rockette]

And then these same groups expect other players to go sit in Discord for up to 5 hours instance hopping (see: other posters) to be able to sit in an instance to wait for Ovni to spawn. Ridiculous. I pay a subscription to play the game, not sit on a 3rd party service for hours.

Hello, I would like to join your premade group without any of the waiting, organising, or listening to mechanics. Please carry me through content I will likely wipe my group in because if you don't you're entitled and elitist. Oh, and by the way I'd never enter BA in an instance where no premades were running! Ridiculous!

And we wonder why NA can't have nice things.