Baldesion Arsenal Feedback

[Kazgrel]

It's a colossal failure.

We want large scale content like this, but this thing needs to be server specific or something. Just spent over a hour in a party trying to get in with other parties as part of our group in Discord only to keep getting in instances that already had groups in BA.

Content requiring this many people to join in should be done through DF, plain and simple. No sense in spending 2+ hours waiting for a chance to just get started.

[Alberos]

Meanwhile, while everyone is enjoying the BA. I HAVEN'T GOT MY FIRST WEAPON YET!!. Because everyone is doing BA and no one spawn NM, especially the lvl60 dragon NM!!!

Nice job SE, this content (the dragon NM) is not last even through a minor-minor patch (Hydratos come out 4.55, not a single word from 4.56 yet but the dragon is already gone!). My work is busy and I don't have time to catch up. This whole eureka thing is suck. No time to play? Can't catch up with most of player? Well, screw you, you ain't gotta get any thing. Have 6-7 friends who're willing to help you? Not enough man, try getting 100 ppl first then we can talk.

[Shadows_Arrowny]

I've actually stopped doing BA altogether. I have Kirin's Osode and full elemental +2 gear for my tank and almost 30 fragments toward the 100 for the weapon. I've lead several fragment runs and Ozma prog groups. I've been a leader in attempted Ozma clear groups. But I'm honestly just tired of it all.

I'm tired of the 1.5-2 hrs it can take to zone into the dungeon. I've gotten Ozma to 40% three times only to wipe to one person failing accel. bomb and/or meteor. And now that it's been a couple weeks, the primary Aether BA discord largely only has people putting Ozma clear/farm groups together with the requirement of proof of clear and/or explanation from previous leader on why the run failed (a.k.a. they wanna make sure it wasn't you that caused the wipe).

Now I understand wanting to farm it and not spend all this time getting in and more time getting back to Ozma only to have someone wipe 55 people at 40%. I wasn't happy when I leading an Ozma prog group and 1/3 of the people lied about having cleared AV.

I just don't have patience for the people putting super strict requirements on joining their group for a PUBLIC dungeon. I don't have patience leading these myself anymore--whether or not it's to help others. I don't have patience for spending 1.5-2 hrs to just get into the dungeon.

I say this as someone who loved Eureka from the beginning. On paper, Hydatos and BA are exactly what I wanted and more out of this experience begun in Anemos. Sadly, and I really mean that (sadly), this experience just doesn't bring me joy. Getting into BA is so punishing, that I experience nothing but dread, anxiety, stress, regret and disappointment with it now.

I just want three changes to this type of content in the future. I love the logos action system--brilliant, fun, rewarding, and strategic. I love the inability to raise people--a wonderful introduction to new combat experiences in XIV's style. But please change these three issues--and #1 is an ABSOLUTE MUST:

1) Allow full party finder and duty finder support (full 8-player parties and full 24/32-person alliance queue together). Don't make repeating the dungeon so punishing that it feels more punishing to enter than the dungeon than to fail the dungeon.

2) Lower the amount of people to more reasonable/manageable counts (24-32 people). It can't handle too many anyway as AV puddles disappear at times.

3) Don't format it in a way that can easily turn players against each other (fighting for access, needing others to do a support FATE, etc. Never underestimate the pettiness, grief, and spite players will have [on both sides] due to their sense of entitlement)

[Shadows_Arrowny]

Might even add (3.1) to my third request: If this combat is dangerous because you can't be raised, maybe stay away from mechanics where one person can kill others so easily (Ozma). I'm totally content with a fight that's dangerous enough that someone cannot be carried through it. I think that's a great idea. But it's irritating when my success in the dungeon is incredibly contingent upon someone else's ability to follow seemingly simple mechanics. It's for this reason that I've lost a lot of interest in what I previously thought was one of the most interesting mounts in the game. Sure it's beautiful, but the journey to it is so unfulfilling and not achievement based as you're at someone else's mercy. So, yeah, getting killed by other people really sucks. It might not suck as much if I could reasonably access and repeat the dungeon with ease, to be fair.

[HyoMinPark]

And now that it's been a couple weeks, the primary Aether BA discord largely only has people putting Ozma clear/farm groups together with the requirement of proof of clear and/or explanation from previous leader on why the run failed (a.k.a. they wanna make sure it wasn't you that caused the wipe).

There seems to be one group that organizes clears/farms in this way. There are plenty others that do not require screenshot proof/video proof/stream proof/whatever. I got my Ozma clear from the latter type of group, organized in that same Discord. However, given that 2/5 of my tries for Ozma prog/clear before I actually cleared it involved players that have not even been to AV trying to join Ozma progression, a part of me can understand wanting to see proof of progression...

[Awful]

There seems to be one group that organizes clears/farms in this way. There are plenty others that do not require screenshot proof/video proof/stream proof/whatever. I got my Ozma clear from the latter type of group, organized in that same Discord. However, given that 2/5 of my tries for Ozma prog/clear before I actually cleared it involved players that have not even been to AV trying to join Ozma progression, a part of me can understand wanting to see proof of progression...

What I've been seeing from my friends and such it's been in a format like (1. Link screenshot of achievements/kill, 2. Describe the fight in its entirety, 3. Must have at least 2-3 clears) I find that a little crazy because it's asking a lot from a single person, which I know it takes 1 person to wipe. My friends haven't been able to get into a Discord so they're trying to look for a prog one which is silly because I feel that we should be able to have premade party queing or in instance grouping there's so many issues trying to get clears/kills.

[HyoMinPark]

What I've been seeing from my friends and such it's been in a format like (1. Link screenshot of achievements/kill, 2. Describe the fight in its entirety, 3. Must have at least 2-3 clears) I find that a little crazy because it's asking a lot from a single person, which I know it takes 1 person to wipe. My friends haven't been able to get into a Discord so they're trying to look for a prog one which is silly because I feel that we should be able to have premade party queing or in instance grouping there's so many issues trying to get clears/kills.

I wasn’t asked for any of this by the person organizing my Ozma clear run. The only requirement they really stated was to please be on Ozma, near enrage, and to have a good grasp on the mechanics. They didn’t demand screenshots or mechanic descriptions. Again, I’ve only seen 1 group advertising that theirs is formatted this way. I don’t think it would be particularly difficult to get in a group that doesn’t have those sorts of requirements.

Just to be clear, I am talking about the Aether discord. Not any of the other data center discords.

[Deceptus]

What I've been seeing from my friends and such it's been in a format like (1. Link screenshot of achievements/kill, 2. Describe the fight in its entirety, 3. Must have at least 2-3 clears) I find that a little crazy because it's asking a lot from a single person, which I know it takes 1 person to wipe. My friends haven't been able to get into a Discord so they're trying to look for a prog one which is silly because I feel that we should be able to have premade party queing or in instance grouping there's so many issues trying to get clears/kills.

Great. That is exactly World of Warcraft style tactics regarding entrance requirements. . . (heavy /s)

Seriously thought the worst aspect of Eureka Hydatos and the Baldesion Arsenal is the simple fact of getting in.

Having to spend 3 hours of organization to try to get in is stupid.

Change the player count to 24 and balance accordingly.

[ShratNevor]

Agree! SE should have set up a system, that rewarded the people outside the BA for thier help or made it more of a raid where you could form your parties and enter without causing all the chaos...

[RitsukoSonoda]

Agree! SE should have set up a system, that rewarded the people outside the BA for thier help or made it more of a raid where you could form your parties and enter without causing all the chaos...

IMO I think the best option would have been a sort of prep area you couldn't go back into once you exit it where players could change job classes and form parties.