Server of Freedom

[SamsaraLotusx]

I say we need this as the game got way to show now days. Some people I got in df get offended after you say hi to them

[Nedkel]

I imagine freedom servers in the US where no GMs will be online, and people throwing meat at each other for political reasons.
I want to see that, the good old 2000 internet, where everyone could be hostile to you (or you to them). xD

[Vidu]

I say we need this as the game got way to show now days. Some people I got in df get offended after you say hi to them

Even if they get offended by a simple "Hello" and file a report about that, nothing is gonna happen to you, if all you really said was just "Hello".

You are confusing "people cant report anything I say" with "people wont get offended by anything I say". Even on your "Freedom of Speech"-server people can still be offended, they just cant file a report anymore.
As long as you are polite and friendly (or at least not harrassing and insulting people left and right) you have nothing to fear. Even if people take offense by you saying "hi" and report you for it, no GM is gonna ban you, issue a warning or do anything about it.

You can say "hi", you can give advice, you can disagree with people on our current servers - as long as you dont get rude or insulting about it nothing is gonna happen to you, even if someone reports you over it. At least I have enough trust in the GMs that I believe they'll be able to see that a simple "hi" is nothing they need to do anything about.

[Izanagi_Fiaresu]

Alright so two things. 1) In the American constitution, Freedom of Speech only applies to the Government. I.E you can't be arrested for speaking out against your leaders, or their policies etc etc. Not to private businesses, which Square Enix is. 2) Square Enix is a Japanese based company who doesn't have to abide by the U.S constitution even if the first amendment protected our speech in the private sector.

Also Free speech is the first thing conservatives tend to say after they say some f'ed up racist stuff.

[Keddera_StormMoon]

Bullet points of thoughts....

- "Freedom of Speech" is a right we have to speak out against the policies of our governments without fear of being imprisoned for those beliefs. It is not a free pass for anything else. People trying to invoke that right with corporations or other private individuals are asking for more than they are entitled to.

- If you claim you want a server where adults can speak freely and "swear", you probably don't understand what being adult actually means.

- There are right and wrong ways to critique people. As I've said before, is it wrong to ask people first if they want advice? Haven't you ever noticed that when your employer does reviews on your performance, it's done behind closed doors without other people looking on? Don't you think, no matter how right you might be, people would be more receptive to your advice if you keep it private so they don't feel humiliated and thus put on the defensive?

- This proposed server would become a cesspit of toxicity that would require it's own datacenter. Frankly, I don't see enough people wanting to willingly be there for it to support itself on the group content.

[StarRosie]

I don't play them so I'm not sure, but don't some MOBAs already do this? I've heard people that drop from matches or get reported for toxicity in certain games get put into their own queues with other players like that.

To answer this question, I can't speak for other MOBAs but, yes. Dota 2 does this.

If you are reported and found at fault for what you were reported for (Bad behavior, match throwing, match fixing, list goes on.) or you've abandoned multiple matches in a row. At first you may receive a warning. But continue that stuff and you are put in the jail pool where you are only allowed to match with and against other inmates. In order to be released, you have to complete a certain number of matches in that pool. You can't just wait a timer out, you MUST complete those matches. The number of matches is determined by how much of a repeat offender you are, starting at 10 last time I was there. But if you are a serial visitor of the jail pool, they might just move to temp banning you. I also believe if you break rules again while in the pool, you get into even bigger trouble and face a perma ban even, I'm unclear there, I've only been in the jail pool once or twice and I stayed on my best behavior during those times.

Though, things may have changed, I haven't played Dota 2 in earnest in a couple years, so idk if they changed that up recently but when I 'retired' from the game, that was very much how punishment was handled.

[Aylis]

People were asking for rp server, so why not freedom of speech?

I mean, a server where we could freely speak about parse, have some constructive critic without getting insult, or with the new TOS, get ban.

Just an idea,tell me the pro and cons.

Freedom of speech means only you're free to voice your thoughts and opinions about any situation involving Government. Be it local, state or federal without fear of being arrested, assaulted or worse from just by saying "I don't like this" "I don't agree with this" etc etc etc. What you're talking about is freedom of expression. While you are free to express yourself as you please any private company can decide what goes and what doesn't go. Freedom of expression exists outside of free speech. SE, any game for that matter, schools, places of employment, etc can decide how you can or can't express yourself. Kind of like signs in grocery stores "No shirt, no shoes, no service". If you want to talk freely about parses, insult free constructive critic. You can do that all now. Much like how we do it in private companies in our day to day lives. Find a place and find friends whom you can comfortably talk and express yourself on how you choose. If you want to chat in a wall of curses. Find a linkshell that's okay with people chatting with a wall of curses. Flooding everyone's chat with said wall of curses, well. Not everyone is exactly going to want to hear that or deal with it. Some may block you, some may report you. Even if this magical freedom of expression server comes to frutation, somebody is always going to get annoyed with how someone expresses themselves. Everyone's different and everyone has their own likes and dislikes.

[Zer0]

Nope, the gaming community has too many (even if their numbers are small) very outspoken toxic people.

The new changes in reality effects nothing. What it does do is allow GM's to actually have some control over things. For most people, they'll never see any effects of it. The people that will are toxic people that bad mouth others and insult people. And being able to silence RMT spammers, as GM's previously couldn't do that. Which is why NA had such a massive problem with RMT spam.

[Violet_Galaxy]

No one is "butt hurt" - you were asking for Pros and Cons for your idea and it seems that the majority of people here found more Cons than Pros.

To sum some up in a little list:

Pros
- we could talk openly about parsing (even though obviously no one never ever is parsing)
- People could roleplay as cursing pirates in Limsas shout chat

Cons
- ...in a way we can already talk openly about parsing - as long as we make sure it stays in a group of friends/people we know
- harrassment, insults, sexual advances... all of those things would suddenly be "okay" and non-reportable
- we are already able to speak freely, as long as we keep common courtsey in mind and stay polite and friendly
- not giving friendly advice, yelling at people and insulting them wont make them take your advice

It seems to me - specially after your answer to my post - that you came up with this idea under the missconception that once such a server would be established everyone would listen to your advice when there is actually no connection between people taking your advice and some sort of freedom in your way to express said advice, specially because right now you have every freedom to give advice, you just cant get rude.

Actually, I feel a server were anyone could just say anything without consequences might actually be rather hurtful to your goal here. It stops people in no way from disregarding your advice with the same stuff (or worse) than they have been so far.
You also need to consider that servers usually share datacenters (unless you want a whole datacenter without rules or isolate the server), so in any instances... what rules apply? Is it only okay for the people from Freedom to curse? Is everyone allowed to curse? Is no one allowed to curse? Can we just kick the Freedom-player if we dont want to listen to their obscenities?

Sorry, the only good thing that can emerge from this are cursing pirates in Limsa.

It's okay. We can call the datacenter "Adult Swim". The GM's will make sure all kids are out of the Limsa seas so the role-playing trash talking pirates can talk about "adult" things...like how to dodge Chimera's voice mechanics in Cutters Cry or how ugly somebodies gosh darn %$$&% glam is.

[Dualgunner]

Sorry, the only good thing that can emerge from this are cursing pirates in Limsa.

Ya-harrrrr, any feline wenches about? I needs me a first mate ready to scrub the poop deck.