Post mortem on relics from 4.0

[Leanna]

Excuse me?

I spent ONE month (1 week start zone, 2 weeks Pagos, 1 week Pyros) mostly casually doing clogs or 40-60 min stays in Eureka and I was just able to get into Hydatos day one ... and I'm already 58.

And I still can't be bothered to go and grind out the stuff that gives Poetics so I'm sitting on a hyperconductive Axe that maybe-some-day might get completed. Eureka was not a long grind for me and I'm not some kid with tons of free time, I have a full time job with an hour commute ..

People really do not understand eureka and let it color their thoughts to the extreme I see.

So you spent one month to get an ugly glamour, when you can get an ARR/HW relic in a few weeks playing casually. I don't care how people spend their free time, but surely I won't waste mine pressing 2 skills every 30 minutes to get a reward from a Fate, I have better things to do than braindead and boring grinding for 0 reward.

If people hate themselves enough to do Eureka, good for them ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I'm sorry for you for wasting your little free time on doing something horrible. Also I did up to Pyros so I know how awful Eureka is.

Are you really comparing max level content that is still currently updated and content released years ago and nerfed multiple times because it was not at level cap anymore ?

Do you also laugh at people taking several weeks to obtain their i390 weapon while you can obtain an i120 in a day ?

You can get Snakeboy's weapon which is 395 in under an hour, which is way, WAY faster than months of braindead grinding and bother with lootboxes.

And someone must have a real problem if they do Eureka for "BiS", when you can get Savage/Tomes stuff without spending tons of hours into boring content for no reward. The content is easy enough as it is to bother with lootboxes and boring grind.

And they did nothing but COMPLAIN on this forum to give us something new and to stop running us through old content for tomes etc. We got new zones, new nm's a host of new things to do yet what never changes with relic is this forum will non stop pan it as not being worth the time and effort. Same tune different relic grind. Personally I adore what they did with relic putting it in an open world setting with 143 other people. Would love to see something new in 5.0 but would hope we don't get more of the same old farm these dungeons for tomes 2 zillion times and rng dungeon drops and so on.

Interestingly enough i have some friends who love the HW relics now that they doing them after having been nerfed into oblivion and have no clue how much work it was to do simply one relic let alone multiples.

The problem isn't SE trying new things, the problem is SE doing BAD things like Eureka is, they can try all they want at making new content, but not content filled with the worst kind of grind imaginable and filled with lootboxes everywhere. I do like the idea of open world stuff, and guess what? We have maps absolutely empty without a soul around them, what's the point of make new maps for each new expansion if you are going to have a big, empty but pretty map with nothing to do but hunts/gathering? That's an ABSOLUTE waste, instead of fix what we already have, they take the problem somewhere else, this isn't the right way to do things and SE must be aware of it.

This isn't hating content for the sake of it, this is let SE know this LAZY and totally HORRIBLE content isn't good for the game. This is about asking for better content and not letting SE get away with half-baked garbage content only the 10% of the community does. Ask for good content for everyone can only benefit everyone, and not be happy with the first garbage SE throws at the game.

[Duskane]

So you spent one month to get an ugly glamour, when you can get an ARR/HW relic in a few weeks playing casually. I don't care how people spend their free time, but surely I won't waste mine pressing 2 skills every 30 minutes to get a reward from a Fate, I have better things to do than braindead and boring grinding for 0 reward.

If people hate themselves enough to do Eureka, good for them ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I'm sorry for you for wasting your little free time on doing something horrible. Also I did up to Pyros so I know how awful Eureka is.

You can get Snakeboy's weapon which is 395 in under an hour, which is way, WAY faster than months of braindead grinding and bother with lootboxes.

And someone must have a real problem if they do Eureka for "BiS", when you can get Savage/Tomes stuff without spending tons of hours into boring content for no reward. The content is easy enough as it is to bother with lootboxes and boring grind.

generally what you said is pretty subjective i for one like the Drk relic a lot and definitely was worth the wait imho ive made 5 pyros weapons and have enough mats from pagos and pyros to make a 6th im very eager to make plenty of complete eureka weapons and do the big dungeon in hydratos ,
you also sound pretty bitter on that "hate themselves enough to do eureka" since its really not a stretch for people to like a content you don't ive also met a bunch who too like eureka (and yoshi already confirmed more in 5.0 anyway).
hydratos is very very easy leveling 50-60 is nothing especially with reflect farm the final step is the easiest its been since Anemos there is no light the boss and other fates spawn very frequently
so i could spend a day or two getting a weapon that is 10ilevels higher than Seiryu with less amount of effort primal farming becomes much more monotonous than eureka imo.
even raiders who did savage for BIS move onto the relic weapons since it generally ends up better just because they can.

And i don't know why you keep bringing up lootboxes
really has nothing to do with the weapon

also these Months of grinding have been spaced out over a long period of time so these weapons probably don't even take a month to make all up.

[Leanna]

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Logo actions needed to unlock relics and armors that drops from lootboxes? Maybe?

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If you don't raid why do you even want a 405 weapon? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Clear savage is a lot easier and faster and more fun than waste months of your life hitting the same mob over and over again until the end of times.

If you care about an ilvl 405/400 weapon, you have savage and tomes for that, and at that point there is 0 content left to do to use those weapons, do 100 more dps in expert roulette? Pfft. For people who doesn't raid, Snakeboy's weapons are more than enough, and if you do raid, Omega is also more than enough, unless for some reason you have the need of 100 more dps to do expert roulette. Relics are glamours, do them for an almost minimal increase in damage when there is no more content to do until next expansion is stupid.

There are better ways to spend your time than doing useless and bad content for 0 rewards. And again, this isn't hating Eureka for the sake of it, SE needs to know what is wrong with it and improve it, this isn't a F2P MMO, people should demand quality content and not the garbage we received.

[LaylaTsarra]

The problem isn't SE trying new things, the problem is SE doing BAD things like Eureka is, they can try all they want at making new content,

Bad is subjective and you're entitled to your opinion. I like the process. I've got 12 pyros weapons at the moment and will get them all finished in Hydratos. You can express your opinion all you like but it's simply just your view. As I stated in my earier post relic is historically panned on this forum regardless of the stage or expansion it's in.

And I might add I don't find the relic models ugly. I think a good number of them are pretty sweet and I can live with the 405 ilevel for the next few months until expansion.

[Lyth]

After ARR, none of the relics have been truly legendary. ARR gave us classic FF weapons like Excalibur, Ragnarok, and Apocalypse. Even setting aside the weapon models, they were iconic to anyone who has played the series. HW and Stormblood's relic final forms have references to some FFXI weapons, but to most of us, that's kind of meaningless. I'm a bit sad that the later jobs missed out on the opportunity to get at least one iconic weapon for themselves. Most of the truly memorable weapons in FF's thirty year history are greatswords. I want my Defender. I want my Save the Queen. I just want to see one truly iconic FF greatsword on DRK. I'll put up with any sort of relic grind to get it.

[JunseiKei]

I'm sad that my little buddy, Anima, who I grew and nurtured to have sentience was abandoned by XIV's team. What was set up led me to believe we'd continue to work on Anima's new 'body.' There wasn't a peep about them.

[shiroxkatsuya]

I think this thread really hits home what I disliked about eureka. Yes i am not a big fan of the nm/mob grind an pagos was atrocious, but i can stomach it enough to at least finish one relic (the reason i was in there) my biggest gripe is the relic part of the story has absolutely no substance once so ever (and the models in my opinion are just plain ugly). Story is always a big draw for me. It is a big reason why i enjoyed coil so much more than alexander or omega. The 2.0 and 3.0 relic meant something to me. The Eureka weapon on the otherhand just happens to be a purple.

[Ash_]

The fact the relic weapon has been reduced to just a glamour piece instead of a viable and sometimes superior endgame weapon says it all.

[Xau]

personally i dislike 4.0 relic for the fact i don't feel like i earned it, i mean, 2.0 and 3.0 relics forced you to do content, 4.0 relic you can basically afk for most of it(just bothering whit killing NM) and end up whit a relic, i do not find fun killing mobs what hardly keeps you busy(and for this i love dungeons or other instance content what is not potd/hoh/diadem/eureka)

also, i don't get why people has to get their relic on like day 1, 2.0 and 3.0 relic steps literally has that insane amount of tomes required to make it last for around 1 month if you played it on the intended casual way when they where relevant
now, i won't say what all the steps of the 2.0/3.0 relics where good, there are some bad obviously, arr relic was rather annoying on some parts(especially on atma step when relevant and book step while relevant AND currently), but hw relic?, its probably the easiest relic to get into since it gives you on most of its steps many ways to upgrade it(yes im excluding atma step if you didnt had a zeta relic and lvl 50 to 60 dungeons, since those had only one way to progress thro), you could do it by dungeons, you could do it by raids, you could do it by pvp!, even diadem 2.0 helped, you literally pogressed it whit whatever you did
i hope what if they do make the next relic, they make a "weekly" cap or something for turn in stuff like that to make everyone just not burn themselves on hardcore farming it, because that is one thing a lot of people suffered from on both arr and hw relics, they whanted their relic as soon as posible what they grinded it hard to the point to burn themselves