Thread: Post mortem on relics from 4.0

It's really funny how people hate on Eureka, yet praise the 2.0/3.0 relics. These exact threads existed for that kind of content.

Regardless of whether you like Eureka or not, it is a step forward in terms of making relic content meaningful instead of needlessly grinding old content. I would challenge someone to tell me that atma, anemos books, or crafted turn ins are better than Eureka (and the rest is just basic generic content that is shared between the two expansions)

My issue with the way Eureka is set up that as time goes by its going to be near impossible to get the weapons done (as in you need to do them now when their current).

This can not be said for the ARR and Heavensward relics (which parts of those steps were made easier to get as time went on, and has not been the same for Eureka weapons).

Originally Posted by Lambdafish

It's really funny how people hate on Eureka, yet praise the 2.0/3.0 relics. These exact threads existed for that kind of content.

Regardless of whether you like Eureka or not, it is a step forward in terms of making relic content meaningful instead of needlessly grinding old content. I would challenge someone to tell me that atma, anemos books, or crafted turn ins are better than Eureka (and the rest is just basic generic content that is shared between the two expansions)

My impression might very well differ from yours, but I'm not reading so much "praise" for the 2.0 and 3.0 and rather things like "At least they had this..." - I recall the grind vividly, and atmas were hell! (I was very much convinced that the atma in western Thanalan just didnt exist)
And I try not to hate on Eureka, but instead try to express my dislike for some fundamental choices both within the content itself and in regards to the relic.

While I cant say anything good about the atmas (except maybe that they looked pretty in my inventory), I will challenge you in regards to the Anemos books, crafted turn ins and light farm.

The anemos books at least required you to do different types of content - I didnt like all of those contents and one could argue that its basically just killing mobs (with the addition that waiting for FATEs wasnt fun - and that person would be correct), but it was always a little bit different. Unless Eureka changes suddenly after Pagos, I havent gotten that feeling there. I'm just killing open world mobs of a certain type or a certain level for hours to eventually have a FATE spawn or my challenge log finished. Or I'm rushing across the map to get from one FATE to the next.

Crafted turn ins are something I'd like to defend from the perspective of a master-crafter, not of the perspective of the person doing the relic-quest. Being a master-crafter though I see how... unimportant that is for the most part. Sure, I'm still making money from selling gear and food and potions, but with the release of new patches, with 24-man and NM-raid-gear I can see my markets shrinking. Most people only gear up one or two, maybe three jobs, so there is no need for the crafted gear. Making the relic-step require crafted goods was really nice for the crafting industry!

Light farming could be argued is the same as in Eureka, except... is it not. The old light farming offered me a variety of content to do so - dungeons, raids, trials, PvP... you name it. Much more options to pick and choose from, while Eureka seems to be just more of the same...

At the same time a lot of those steps helped to get people ro re-run older content - the Stormblood-relic created the problem that in order to obtain it later, they would design some sort of incentive to re-run that content.

I dont hate Eureka, but I think it has an aweful lot of unused potential, has the problem of becoming less and less accessible with time moving forward, is incredibly unfriendly to both solo play and groups of friends who'd like to progress together (and dont want to create a "Eureka-static") and has the relic-weapons only as an "afterthought". While Eureka itself has a story, our wepaons dont (beside Gerolt telling us "Hey, I can make an even more badass sword, if you just collect 400 of those crystals that have a random chance to drop!"). I always liked the stories behind our relic-weapons, even if was only a line or two...
I dont hate Eureka for what it is - I dislike it for what if could have been, if some minor adjustments were made - level-synch, something like the weekly challenge log right at the start (maybe even daily quests!), more exploring (personally I always liked the hidden chests in Diadem, something like that could have worked), some lore for the weapons (writing lore is "cheap" - and we could have discovered old scriptures or something, telling stories of weapons of old that Gerolt could have used as models for our weapons and read to us - could have even re-used names from FFV and based the lore on that!)...

Eureka might be a step in the right direction, but its far from being there yet. At least not as long as people can say "At least I could solo my ARR-relic" and "At least my SB-relic had some lore attached to it!"
I dont believe people mind a grind in general - but Eureka is a pretty bad grind... not in terms of how long it takes or how difficult it is, but of how much of the same it is and specially how restrictive it is in regards to people you can play with.

Originally Posted by Leanna

There are better ways to spend your time than doing useless and bad content for 0 rewards.

Stop pushing your idea of fun and what you happen to like on others. You don't like the content, we got it. Others enjoy it quite a bit. Sorry if that doesn't fit in with your little perception of how the game should be played. The zone is filled with people doing relic and it will be for quite some time.

Originally Posted by Wiccan026

My issue with the way Eureka is set up that as time goes by its going to be near impossible to get the weapons done (as in you need to do them now when their current).

This can not be said for the ARR and Heavensward relics (which parts of those steps were made easier to get as time went on, and has not been the same for Eureka weapons).

They will easily figure things out for that after the expansion. One way is to remove the elemental level syncing in the zone and for NMs. I'm not sure if you remember back in the first week of Anemos when there wasn't a level sync for NMs. People complained how quickly NMs melted like flies when people reached level 20. So if they were to remove that after the expansion, it would be very easy to solo most of them. And if elemental level was to carry on in 5.0 and go further than 60, then pretty much it would be easy to solo Anemos to Hydatos.

Originally Posted by Alucard135

They will easily figure things out for that after the expansion. One way is to remove the elemental level syncing in the zone and for NMs. I'm not sure if you remember back in the first week of Anemos when there wasn't a level sync for NMs. People complained how quickly NMs melted like flies when people reached level 20. So if they were to remove that after the expansion, it would be very easy to solo most of them. And if elemental level was to carry on in 5.0 and go further than 60, then pretty much it would be easy to solo Anemos to Hydatos.

Level Sync was always in place, it was more because higher level players had access to more magicite and the bonus dmg from those is quite significant.

I'm not entirely sure anymore but i believe they simply adjusted NMs max health to mitigate this.

But your point still stands, they can adjust and dial things down to make things more managable with very few people or even to the point where it's soloable.

Originally Posted by HarryTipper

Level Sync was always in place, it was more because higher level players had access to more magicite and the bonus dmg from those is quite significant.

I'm not entirely sure anymore but i believe they simply adjusted NMs max health to mitigate this.

But your point still stands, they can adjust and dial things down to make things more managable with very few people or even to the point where it's soloable.

Oh that's true. It was the magicite making the difference lol. Because I remember being able to solo the Sabotender NM back then. Imagine if they also removed the ilvl 300 restriction. Things would be easily soloable.