Quote Originally Posted by Lambdafish View Post
I would challenge someone to tell me that atma, anemos books, or crafted turn ins are better than Eureka
They are ALL better than Eureka for the simple fact that they don't last the entire Relic cycle. Were they a massive pain? Yes. Did they over stay their welcome? Absolutely. But don't confuse the scale with the content itself; there is nothing wrong with FATE farming, in moderation; there is nothing wrong with the books, in moderation; and there is nothing wrong with crafted turn-ins, in moderation.

There would also have been little wrong with Eureka, in moderation. But Eureka isn't just one instance; just one grind to get through; it's a series of instances, each of them their own grind, but also each of them largely the same (grind trash mobs to spawn NMs), and each one gated behind the last. Throw in the fact that Eureka is unfriendly to friend groups (i.e. no party level-sync, no reason to return to older instances), works best with a large population (i.e. will only get worse as the population lowers), and is entirely irrelevant to the rest of the game (i.e. can't do anything else while doing Eureka), and yes, it is absolutely the WORST Relic (i.e. 'casual' long term grind) content FFXIV has ever had.