Regarding the Revision of the Prohibited Activities and Account Penalty Policy

[Altaeciana]

People are derailing the topic at hand by introducing the concept of SJW potential. First of all, let us RECALL what the ToS is for. In the end, it is a means for the developers and parent companies involved to dictate what fair/appropriate use of their software is. So we can call this a set of guidelines or rules. Without a doubt these contain bits on what harassment is defined as and what cheating/scams are defined as. The misuse of an FFXIV client is not desired.

Now let's return to the situation at hand where the ToS is being pushed for greater enforcement. OBVIOUSLY this means people still aren't listening and are still doing malicious deeds. This goes from harassment to misuse of game functions and more.

Take for example when Perform was implemented. What was it that S-E strictly said was prohibited when this extra function was added? If you said the publishing of performances that play licensed/copyrighted material was disallowed, I might start to once again believe in humanity being lesser of a flock than social media projects.

Here's another example, misuse of Vote Dismissal. People are still removing party members for the wrong reasons and the others who participate in such votes are also participating for wrong reasons. This is a game function that ALWAYS lets you know by warning that misuse of this game function is prohibited and punishable. Apparently not many care due to the convenience it provides.

Oh wait, we are so not done yet! Care to talk about 3rd party applications? FFLogs being utilized in party finder descriptions is heavily prohibited, but apparently people don't care. So they continue to do it. Many fly under this radar due to lack of reporting. With the revised ToS, all it may take now is 1 single report. That 1 singular voice and someone is going to suffer entirely avoidable scenarios.

The revised ToS is not something to nit pick and make people's lives intentionally more miserable. It is a REMINDER that they exist.

[MorbolvampireQueen6]

People are derailing the topic at hand by introducing the concept of SJW potential. First of all, let us RECALL what the ToS is for. In the end, it is a means for the developers and parent companies involved to dictate what fair/appropriate use of their software is. So we can call this a set of guidelines or rules. Without a doubt these contain bits on what harassment is defined as and what cheating/scams are defined as. The misuse of an FFXIV client is not desired.

Now let's return to the situation at hand where the ToS is being pushed for greater enforcement. OBVIOUSLY this means people still aren't listening and are still doing malicious deeds. This goes from harassment to misuse of game functions and more.

Take for example when Perform was implemented. What was it that S-E strictly said was prohibited when this extra function was added? If you said the publishing of performances that play licensed/copyrighted material was disallowed, I might start to once again believe in humanity being lesser of a flock than social media projects.

Here's another example, misuse of Vote Dismissal. People are still removing party members for the wrong reasons and the others who participate in such votes are also participating for wrong reasons. This is a game function that ALWAYS lets you know by warning that misuse of this game function is prohibited and punishable. Apparently not many care due to the convenience it provides.

Oh wait, we are so not done yet! Care to talk about 3rd party applications? FFLogs being utilized in party finder descriptions is heavily prohibited, but apparently people don't care. So they continue to do it. Many fly under this radar due to lack of reporting. With the revised ToS, all it may take now is 1 single report. That 1 singular voice and someone is going to suffer entirely avoidable scenarios.

The revised ToS is not something to nit pick and make people's lives intentionally more miserable. It is a REMINDER that they exist.

Those things Everyone agrees with the tos thats not the issue and never was the issue is them becoming feeling police and now we cant even talk without the fear of some crybaby reporting

[K3KW4RCHILD]

1. I see a whole lot of posters who haven't read the ToS and have a lot of "things" to say in here.

2. Think of this from an international perspective, we are grouped by region but that doesn't mean we are all from that region. Think about what may be a nuisance to others or offensive to others who are not American... this entire SJW silliness is mostly irrelevant to average players outside of the U.S.

3. The single most toxic behavior is all based on parsings of other players performance. My favorite argument is the "constructive criticism" argument. Let's be frank, you guys who think you're being constructive are, 99% of the time, being total jerks. Then once you've offended somebody you throw your hands up and say "What? I'm just tryin' to help you get (insert get good memes) better at your job." More and more, players are being pressured to "perform" what some believe is a standard level of play. When they don't meet these IMAGINED minimums, they experience tremendous anxiety about who will attack them or what they will do to humiliate them. So naturally they bail or quit tanking/healing, etc.

Easiest solution ever people: Do unto others... and you will never be punished for being kind, patient, and tolerant.

[StarRosie]

Those things Everyone agrees with the tos thats not the issue and never was the issue is them becoming feeling police and now we cant even talk without the fear of some crybaby reporting

Oh god can we stop with the fearmongering, catastrophizing and overall use of buzzwords? You aren't gonna get banned for speaking. Unless you are spitting some truly toxic vitriol at people in chat or just flat out being racist or the like. No, you aren't going to get banned for asking someone to use shield oath, you aren't gonna get banned for merely talking. Is there some vagueness that should get cleared up or more clealry defined? Absolutely! But nothing even remotely suggests you are gonna get a instant perma ban cause you entered a dungeon and said "Hi."

[MorbolvampireQueen6]

1. I see a whole lot of posters who haven't read the ToS and have a lot of "things" to say in here.

2. Think of this from an international perspective, we are grouped by region but that doesn't mean we are all from that region. Think about what may be a nuisance to others or offensive to others who are not American... this entire SJW silliness is mostly irrelevant to average players outside of the U.S.

3. The single most toxic behavior is all based on parsings of other players performance. My favorite argument is the "constructive criticism" argument. Let's be frank, you guys who think you're being constructive are, 99% of the time, being total jerks. Then once you've offended somebody you throw your hands up and say "What? I'm just tryin' to help you get (insert get good memes) better at your job." More and more, players are being pressured to "perform" what some believe is a standard level of play. When they don't meet these IMAGINED minimums, they experience tremendous anxiety about who will attack them or what they will do to humiliate them. So naturally they bail or quit tanking/healing, etc.

Easiest solution ever people: Do unto others... and you will never be punished for being kind, patient, and tolerant.

Not even close 2 the truth lol i got banned for 3 days before arr not for insulting,trolling etc but because ppl didn't like someone rping or talking about yaoi manga lol on my first acc

[MorbolvampireQueen6]

Oh god can we stop with the fearmongering, catastrophizing and overall use of buzzwords? You aren't gonna get banned for speaking. Unless you are spitting some truly toxic vitriol at people in chat or just flat out being racist or the like. No, you aren't going to get banned for asking someone to use shield oath, you aren't gonna get banned for merely talking. Is there some vagueness that should get cleared up or more clealry defined? Absolutely! But nothing even remotely suggests you are gonna get a instant perma ban cause you entered a dungeon and said "Hi."

Lol its not fear mogger because its the truth and always has been.. i have never been rude or insulted anyone or any of that in fact for most part keep 2 by self rp with some dark theme or talk about manga HAS got me banned by crybabys

[StarRosie]

Lol its not fear mogger because its the truth and always has been.. i have never been rude or insulted anyone or any of that in fact for most part keep 2 by self rp with some dark theme or talk about manga HAS got me banned by crybabys

It is fearmongering though. "Ooooh, don't speak! Else you'll trigger the SjWs and get perma banned!" I mean really? This is basic fearmongering. Also, I think it's less your dark RP and talk about manga and more your attitude that's gotten you in trouble. You say you have never insulted anyone....yet you're blanket insulting a bunch of hypothetical people (And I'm guessing the folks who reported you.) by calling them "crybabys" also...*Crybabies.

[Fredco191]

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[MorbolvampireQueen6]

It is fearmongering though. "Ooooh, don't speak! Else you'll trigger the SjWs and get perma banned!" I mean really? This is basic fearmongering. Also, I think it's less your dark RP and talk about manga and more your attitude that's gotten you in trouble. You say you have never insulted anyone....yet you're blanket insulting a bunch of hypothetical people (And I'm guessing the folks who reported you.) by calling them "crybabys" also...*Crybabies.

Lol and of course the attitude defense news flash if a person feels uncomfortable by what you say regardless of what it is its a legitment reason to report


that was the exact words the gm used in the jail 2 me it had nothing 2 do with attiude

So try again lol in fact i didn't know i was reported till 3 hours when i was teled

[StarRosie]

Lol and of course the attitude defense news flash if a person feels uncomfortable by what you say regardless of what it is its a legitment reason to report


that was the exact words the gm used in the jail 2 me it had nothing 2 do with attiude

So try again lol in fact i didn't know i was reported till 3 hours when i was teled

Hmmmm, me thinks there's more to this story then what's being said. Sounds either too farfetched or like important details are being left out. But, whatever. I don't plan to pursue it, as I've already derailed the thread once today.

Also you're not supposed to know you were reported till a GM contacts you, that's kinda how things work.

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> Yes
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