Regarding the Revision of the Prohibited Activities and Account Penalty Policy

[Rockette]

First thought - well this is nice, and desperately needed. Know people who follow others around "humping" and generally harassing as much as they can outside of text since they know they're black listed. Same with the MPK.

• Obscene/indecent expressions
• Actions that inflict emotional distress using content related to historical events or crimes
• Stalking
• Disclosing or indicating another person's real world personal information without permission

* Expressions that lack consideration for another person
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*Expressions that compel a playing style
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"Nuisance behaviour" means speech or behaviour that hurts others or obstructs game play, but which is not classified as harassment. Even if it was not the intention, a penalty may be imposed if the end result was that another person was hurt or obstructed.

Ok what. So, we are now completely at the mercy of what a GM of the day 's opinion is?

Does anyone remember this monster thread? Remember how, after much discussion, it was basically universally decided that there needs to be a proper appeal process that is easily accessible to players?

Guess what's missing from these now vague rule changes.

We all know that anyone can get banned from the official forums for the most asinine reasons. Now, bringing that to you live, in game!

Guys, this is a mess. While some rule changes are obviously not outside the scope of what should be acceptable behaviour, A LOT of this is subjective grey matter. Just, god. Just keep to yourselves. Keep to your own FCs, run your own farm groups. Mentoring is even more of a joke since now literally humming outside of your place is bannable. Look at the examples people have given in that past thread. Multiple bannings for the same offense, bannings after people spam report after every action/post. This is going to become a game, who can get someone else banned, just like it is here and on the lodestone. I guarantee it.

[Rongway]

Stop taking the disruption clause out of context.

If you legitimately leave the duty and take the 30 minute penalty, you're not disrupting anyone's play because a replacement can be drawn from the DF In Progress and you are taking the penalty. The disruption clause is not telling you you can't leave a duty and eat the penalty. It's telling you you can't hold the party hostage by disconnecting and forcing them to wait five minutes to kick you so that you can leave without penalty.

(You could be punished for saying offensive things before leaving the duty and eating the penalty, but that's a different violation altogether.)

[Kurando]

Why should I be banned? I excuse myself and leave. You should consider GMs are not bots, these are people there.

This was mentioned in the previous page;

Obstruction of play
"Obstruction of play" means all behaviour in general that obstructs another person's game play. Below is a non-exhaustive list of examples of obstruction of play:

・Intentional leaving or disconnection
This means obstructing another person's game play by intentionally leaving the game or disconnecting from the server.

Essentially I think if you leave the duty and take the penalty is still allowed because nothing should force you to partake in something you don't want to, SE can't make you play the game you know. However if the player disconnects or logs out without saying anything just to get out of the duty then that is obstruction as the party would have to Dismiss and replace that player.

Oh Billy got there before me, never mind!

[xJimmehx]

Naoki Yoshida once stated that early pulling of hunts is allowed because he never intended for them to be shared in the first place. We choose to do so. It has always been "first come, first served." Maybe with enough demand they will change that.
I personally love the new changes. It may make tanking more popular. having "tough skin" shouldn't be a requirement to play a tank when we can just as easily not be "ass hats" to our fellow players and encourage them. When they want to learn and play, of course. I do not support people who spew attitude because they dont like being told they have to equip their soulstones or kill the faces on the platforms. lol.

[Celef]

I'm starting to think SE is really trying to change that game into a solo one.
With those rules, if you try to give advices to someone but that person decides he is offended by that (yes I'm looking at you "ice mage" and non singing bards) you can be banned....how are we supposed to help others to improve ?

Personnally everytime I meet a baby healer that can use some help I gladly give advices but now....I guess I'll just leave them in ignorance

Also my rp emote to rez ppl can get me in trouble?

Same, considering I tend to use sound to inform others healer and "bit people leg" or "lick their face" ^^"

[MuseTraveller]

◆Obstruction of play
"Obstruction of play" means all behaviour in general that obstructs another person's game play. Below is a non-exhaustive list of examples of obstruction of play:

・Intentional leaving or disconnection
This means obstructing another person's game play by intentionally leaving the game or disconnecting from the server.

They weren't able to get the clear because you left. Reported.

I think this applies more for intentional trolling than anything which you do have to prove.
Still, I think people are exaggerating and as long as one is being polite and mature, everything should be fine. You should give the new rules a chance before fall into panic. It likely won't be as bad as your imagination makes it.

[AbandonHopeTD]

With these vague rules they're going to lose half their player base from bans and troll reporting in a week lol

[MorbolvampireQueen6]

I'm starting to think SE is really trying to change that game into a solo one.
With those rules, if you try to give advices to someone but that person decides he is offended by that (yes I'm looking at you "ice mage" and non singing bards) you can be banned....how are we supposed to help others to improve ?

Personnally everytime I meet a baby healer that can use some help I gladly give advices but now....I guess I'll just leave them in ignorance



Same, considering I tend to use sound to inform others healer and "bit people leg" or "lick their face" ^^"

I bite and drink blood and feed em my blood turning them into vampires lol 4 my rez

[Celef]

Still, I think people are exaggerating and as long as one is being polite and mature, everything should be fine. You should give the new rules a chance before fall into panic. It likely won't be as bad as your imagination makes it.

The scary thing is that, like every strict rule, it can be used by trolls to punish others for fun.
Can we be assured that GM will investigate every case, no matter the number to make sure their is no trolling ?

[Iscah]

Even if it was not the intention, a penalty may be imposed if the end result was that another person was hurt or obstructed.

I know some people are seeing this as "we'll get banned at any moment for accidentally upsetting the wrong person", but I think it might be intended to cover the GM and allow them to still penalise a player who claims they didn't mean to be offensive, when they clearly did (and/or should have known better).