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  1. #61
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    Rowde's Avatar
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    Limsa Lominsa
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    Willig Rowde
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    Hyperion
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by MuseTraveller View Post
    Why should I be banned? I excuse myself and leave. You should consider GMs are not bots, these are people there.
    Example:

    "Hello GM, I joined a PF for an EX/Primal clear today that was eventually ruined because a Bard left after we wiped a few times. The rest of the party lost moral after that and left as well. The Bard kept trying to tell me that I should be in Shield Oath too, but from the research I've done on forums it says that MTs should be in their DPS stance as much as possible. I only had a few hours to play the game last night, and after the Bard left there wasn't enough time to form another party in the PF from scratch so I was not able to get the clear. I feel like we could have beaten it if everyone had stuck it out, but I mostly blame that Bard for first demoralizing the party by implying I should be playing differently and then for leaving the party first, which forced us to leave the duty altogether since we were now short a person and wouldn't be able to get an LB3.

    Sincerely,
    Sword Oath ONLY Tank"
    (5)

  2. #62
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    Gemina's Avatar
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    Dravania
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    Gemina Lunarian
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    Siren
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Thamorian View Post
    Alright, new rules mean shut up, and never say anything to anyone. If you even look at someone the wrong way, you are banned!
    Typical extreme reaction. Just don't be a jerk and you'll be fine. But it is always good to keep in mind that in a situation that is instigated, it is typically the one who retaliates that gets punished. Just walk away.
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  3. #63
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    Alaray's Avatar
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    Vevri Arctyria
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    Balmung
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Rowde View Post
    Example:

    "Hello GM, I joined a PF for an EX/Primal clear today that was eventually ruined because a Bard left after we wiped a few times. The rest of the party lost moral after that and left as well. The Bard kept trying to tell me that I should be in Shield Oath too, but from the research I've done on forums it says that MTs should be in their DPS stance as much as possible. I only had a few hours to play the game last night, and after the Bard left there wasn't enough time to form another party in the PF from scratch so I was not able to get the clear. I feel like we could have beaten it if everyone had stuck it out, but I mostly blame that Bard for first demoralizing the party by implying I should be playing differently and then for leaving the party first, which forced us to leave the duty altogether since we were now short a person and wouldn't be able to get an LB3.

    Sincerely,
    Sword Oath ONLY Tank"
    You know they'd look at the actual chatlogs, right.
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  4. #64
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    Slirith's Avatar
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    Astarotte Niuhali
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    Balmung
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    Dancer Lv 100
    Square Enix strictly prohibits the use of third-party programs or tools – including programs and tools that permit automated or “absentee” play – in Final Fantasy XIV. Accordingly, the following activities are prohibited:

    - Modifying, analysing, integrating, and/or reverse engineering game software or data.
    - Creating, distributing, using, or promoting utilities that interact with the game.

    - Exploiting Square Enix programming bugs or glitches.
    - Automating gameplay processes.
    Good, now follow through on this SE and break parsers/fflogs
    (9)

  5. #65
    Player
    Mirakumi's Avatar
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    Lady Zelda
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    Leviathan
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    Archer Lv 92
    Quote Originally Posted by Rowde View Post
    Example:
    Yeah but GM's aren't clueless. They know how helpful the Shield Oath ability works. If anything they will agree to investigate the situation to satisfy said player. Then they will look over the other player - if other player checks out as okay then they will drop the investigation. It's not as complicated as people are making this.
    (4)

  6. #66
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    Enla's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Crushing Fatigue
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    Balmung
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    Scholar Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Slirith View Post
    Good, now follow through on this SE and break parsers/fflogs
    Not jumping down that rabbit hole but this also does seem to outlaw modding... Which is kind of disappointing especially if it also bans the use of reshade.
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  7. #67
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    Celef's Avatar
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    Aranie Crowley
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    Moogle
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 81
    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    I know some people are seeing this as "we'll get banned at any moment for accidentally upsetting the wrong person", but I think it might be intended to cover the GM and allow them to still penalise a player who claims they didn't mean to be offensive, when they clearly did (and/or should have known better).
    The thing is, you can't clearly establish that with a written chat where every word can be misinterpreted.

    The other day I ran a roulette and found a lvl 69 bard wearing 60 blue gear. I don't really mind about stuff but I found that funny and wondered how he managed to survive that long (plus I was bored so wanted to talk) so I asked :
    "xxxx Have you seen your stuff ? xD"
    Clearlly implying by the "xD" that it was a joke but, without it, it could be....pretty agressive of a sentence and be misinterpreted.

    Would I be banned for that if that personn did not see the joke and got offended by a sentence that I did not mean to be....mean ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Watachy View Post
    C'était en fait SE qui survolait Ishgard sur une liasse de billets

    Quote Originally Posted by KaivaC View Post
    People don't know how to take criticism anymore, and bad play is rewarded with with a coddling mentality. Yes, this is a casual game for the most part - that doesn't mean people need to walk on eggshells in fear of getting reported for pointing out things. This whole 'please don't say anything even slightly negative' mentality that we seem to be going towards and the devs seemingly pushing towards it is creating a disturbing trend.

  8. #68
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    MorbolvampireQueen6's Avatar
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    gridania
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    Nagini Kagon
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    Brynhildr
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    Astrologian Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    Typical extreme reaction. Just don't be a jerk and you'll be fine. But it is always good to keep in mind that in a situation that is instigated, it is typically the one who retaliates that gets punished. Just walk away.
    Im nice 2 ppl but on my past account i got report because i was dark lol even though i was nice 2 ppl so try again lol


    For example if i say hail lucifer once someone gets uncomfortable me get in trouble lol

    Or i rp my laylines on blm as a pentagram

    Ill be nice,respectful and kind... but i will not change how i have fun with my jobs just because someone doesn't like it
    (4)
    Last edited by MorbolvampireQueen6; 02-12-2019 at 04:27 PM.

  9. #69
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    Rowde's Avatar
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    Willig Rowde
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    Hyperion
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Alaray View Post
    You know they'd look at the actual chatlogs, right.
    The chat logs would confirm that:

    He said the Tank should be playing Shield Oath instead of Sword Oath (based on prior posts) AND that he left first.
    As a result of him leaving the party had to abandon and then disbanded. Reported.
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  10. #70
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    Tempest222's Avatar
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    Kestrel Moon
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    Midgardsormr
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    I know some people are seeing this as "we'll get banned at any moment for accidentally upsetting the wrong person", but I think it might be intended to cover the GM and allow them to still penalise a player who claims they didn't mean to be offensive, when they clearly did (and/or should have known better).
    Be that as it may, I don’t think super vague rules are a good thing. Obviously we can all see the best case scenarios for enforcing all these rules, but that doesn’t mean they will always be used that way. The people who go over reports and look into each case are fallible and human just like everyone else, and when given extremely vague guidelines for what is punishable, it would be surprising to not see inconsistent enforcement and to not see very silly and petty or straight up unprovable things punished.

    Would it be insane to issue a warning to someone who zoned into a dungeon as a healer and didn’t use protect in the first 5 seconds? Absolutely. Do the incredibly vague “rules” allow for punishment to be doled out for “disrupting play” in such an instance if the GM was so inclined? Yep.

    I doubt they are going to start passing out punishments like candy since with these guidelines they’d lose most of their playerbase in a matter of days, but exceedingly vague TOSs always make me uneasy.
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    Last edited by Tempest222; 02-12-2019 at 04:28 PM.

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