Overhead Enmity Meters?

[Daniolaut]

Needed info.

Ok it seems you shouldnt be losing threat in low level dungeons if you're doing as you say, and using STR accessories.

Something that helps direct the party, based on that example with the 2 NIN's that is in game is the marking system. A good macro would be:

/marking attack1 <t>
/ac "Shield Lob" <t>

Keep in mind that enmity generation has been increased for all tank classes at an absolute minimum of 3 times. If not more, I havent kept track, and players in the "vanilla" days were able to maintain threat.

I'm not saying adding an enmity bar that can be toggled is a bad idea, I'm saying its not very useful for the developers to add it this late in the game for specifically low level content, which you admitted would be its only real use for. They already adjusted enmity 3 times for this specific complaint.

I'm offering advice to you as a player, in hopes to help you maintain threat better. Not because I think you are bad, or I am better than you, but sometimes people arent aware of certain things that can cause a situation to go unexpectedly, and a more experienced player has seen how certain situations can do just that "go unexpectedly."

The best way to approach such things is to weed out possible more common errors.

My only other suggestion now is to try to physically watch the dps players. Meaning, visually watch the players character to see which enemies they are fighting.

If you use the "attack1" mark and they are not fighting it, you can ask them to either 1. use their enmity reduction action, 2. do as directed based on the attack1 marker or 3. vote kick them. Its considered "difference of playstyle" and not considered an offense to kick someone for not listening to the party. You also can just leave yourself. If something isnt going how you like, in a pug situation, no one is forcing you to remain there. The point of the game is to have fun, and if someone is purposefully doing things that arent helpful, you dont have to party with them.

2-3 flashes, 1-2 overpowers/unleashs should be plenty to maintain threat with the current enmity multipliers, followed single target on any job doing single targed on a mob. Split dps is split dps, and is a dps/party issue.

[Seraph522]

Ranged skill while running in > AoE Enmity bonus skill (Flash/Overpower/Unleash) > Enmity combo tabbing vs Trash.

Ranged skill while running in > Some oGCD Enmity skill if available (Such as Circle of Scorn) > Enmity combo vs Bosses.

Not speaking to the main topic, but a few pointers: for trash pulls, you should spam your AoE enmity skill 3-4 times if you don't have tank stance yet (sub-30 content); that will generate enough of an aggro lead to keep you safe, though maybe pop another once in a while to be sure. In 30+ content, 1-2 uses in tank stance should be enough unless the DPS is single-targetting (which, unfortunately, they sometimes do even when they have their AoE combos available. That's on them; ask them to use their AoEs if they have them).

Try and match whichever add your DPS players are targeting - look for which one seems to be dying the quickest and focus on that one. Once you have access to your actual AoE damage skill (Total Eclipse for PLD, Abyssal Drain for DRK; Overpower spam is actually a good option for WAR from the get-go), use that instead. Remind the DPS to use their enmity mitigation tools if they have them as well (Diversion/Lucid/Tactician/Refresh). That should help with keeping aggro, though in low level dungeons you'll run into issues anyways since people often don't know what they're doing.

As for the enmity meter on the HP bar: that's fine as an option, but it'll clutter up the screen even more, especially as you level and start pulling bigger. I'm also not certain how easy it would be to implement, if only because of the game's infamous spaghetti code.

Edit: formatting.

[Niwashi]

Also, the minor difference would be that you'd be able to see the Enmity list of all enemies you're currently fighting. Rather than the list which only shows your current target.

Ok, I guess I can understand people wanting the indicators where the mobs are, particularly since tanks are melee and need to get close for most of their skills, but how is showing all the enemies you're currently fighting a "difference"? That's what the current list does, it shows you, at least in general terms, how your enmity stands with each mob you're fighting, all at once.

The only thing the bar in the party list adds is which of your teammates is the next closest. That little bit of added info is just for your current target only, but just knowing who's the next closest usually isn't as important as where you stand in relation to the next closest, which is the part you can already see for all the mobs at once.

EDIT:
Well, at least you usually can, unless it's a big enough pull that there's too many enemies to fit in the list. Then you might not see them all. But in that crowded of a situation, it'd be hard to make sense of that many indicators no matter where they were on the screen.

[Rongway]

Ok, I guess I can understand people wanting the indicators where the mobs are, particularly since tanks are melee and need to get close for most of their skills, but how is showing all the enemies you're currently fighting a "difference"? That's what the current list does, it shows you, at least in general terms, how your enmity stands with each mob you're fighting, all at once.

There are two aspects to OP's suggestion. One is about the visual location of the relevant enmity info, in which case, sure, it doesn't make a big difference compared to the enemy list because it's all there.

But the other aspect is the granularity of that info. The enmity gem indicators in the enemy list have never been a superb indication of anything. Depending on the mob group and length of the encounter, orange could mean you're one Scatter away from getting aggro on something, or yellow could mean you're one Scatter away from getting aggro on something. For tanks it's even less granular: red could mean anything from "you have enough enmity to hold these mobs for ten Flares" or "you barely have enough enmity to hold these mobs for one more Scatter" and then the other three colors are meaningless beyond "you lost the mob".

Yes, a good DD will use enmity management tools and a good tank will just use all the right tools at all the right times and never lose aggro. The thing is, a lot of players aren't good; or even worse, a lot of players who could become good aren't good yet, because they have no interface feedback beyond "you have the mob" and "you don't have the mob" or the interface feedback is hidden behind the need to tab around to every single target and mentally compare all the enmity bars for each party member for each mob. OP's suggestion is a good one, as it would make the most relevant party member's enmity bar visible with a better representation of the scale of one's enmity lead.

It doesn't have to be done as overhead bars, but if nothing else, the enmity representation in the enemy list should be updated to something more in line with this.