Healer pulling?

[Vidu]

So I guess the question that needs to be answered is if the main tank did a countdown. If there was no countdown from the tank, then there is no reason to think a battle was about to start. Also, an attempt to force the tank to pull is exactly the kind of action that results in a "you pull, you tank" mindset.

Standing infront of the boss, with everyone present, no one watching a cutscene and nothing in the sense of "brb" or "please wait for a moment" in the chat (or anything in the chat really that implied that there has to be some sort of delay - like people discussing strategy etc.) should really be enough reason to think that there is a battle about to start.
I'm sorry but I have little sympathy for those "chicken tanks" who are either to scared to pull a boss or dont want to tank and end up just lingering infront of the boss.
One of the main reasons I mostly play tanks - I cant stand the kind of tank that just doesnt pull.
20 seconds is plenty of time to pull, unless there is a reason to wait.

And I hate when people pull for me as much as the next tank, but there is a difference between annoying impatience - and someone doing the tanks job of pulling, because the tank wouldnt do it.

[linay]

Is that realistic in a 24-man setting? Even if a tank doesn't move in then you can just stand outside the arena and it'll reset, no?

Of course, people don't pay attention. It's hard enough to reset hunts.

Standing infront of the boss, with everyone present, no one watching a cutscene and nothing in the sense of "brb" or "please wait for a moment" in the chat (or anything in the chat really that implied that there has to be some sort of delay - like people discussing strategy etc.) should really be enough reason to think that there is a battle about to start.

Unfortunately, I have been in parties where the main tank queues with their fc/friends and then they're explaining over discord without letting the rest of the alliance know and since the other two tanks were expecting the main tank to pull, we all waited.

I'm sorry but I have little sympathy for those "chicken tanks" who are either to scared to pull a boss or dont want to tank and end up just lingering infront of the boss.
One of the main reasons I mostly play tanks - I cant stand the kind of tank that just doesnt pull.
20 seconds is plenty of time to pull, unless there is a reason to wait.

And I hate when people pull for me as much as the next tank, but there is a difference between annoying impatience - and someone doing the tanks job of pulling, because the tank wouldnt do it.

You don't have to have sympathies for those kinds of tanks, but in turn, if you pull for them, they don't have to have sympathy for you either. I've seen wipes happen because tanks literally refused to get aggro because someone else pulled.

[kikix12]

You don't have to have sympathies for those kinds of tanks, but in turn, if you pull for them, they don't have to have sympathy for you either. I've seen wipes happen because tanks literally refused to get aggro because someone else pulled.

Sure, they don't need to show "sympathy" for someone that pulls eventually for them (in this case, without intending to do it, because an Astrologian intending to pull would never use Earthly Star for that). But that doesn't change the fact that THEY are failing THEIR job by not tanking when there is nothing stopping them from doing it.

Tanks don't have any special leeway of "Only I can survive tanking a boss, so I can do no bad and me wasting everyones time is acceptable.". If you think that...maybe a healer should stop healing a tank like that next?! Or DPS should stop killing the mobs on such tanks and just go by to the next group?!

This is a party game. Everyone have both the right and DUTY towards other players. Tanks are expected to at the very least pull without wasting time, healers are expected to heal everyone that is wounded and DPS are expected to attack anything that's alive and pulled. If you fail to do one of these tasks as one of these roles then you shouldn't play the role. If you fail to do so because you decided to play to win the "Who's the biggest jackass of the day" award then you should consider playing single player games instead. Or at least only with friends.

[Gemina]

Sure, they don't need to show "sympathy" for someone that pulls eventually for them (in this case, without intending to do it, because an Astrologian intending to pull would never use Earthly Star for that). But that doesn't change the fact that THEY are failing THEIR job by not tanking when there is nothing stopping them from doing it.

I am not disagreeing with you. The boss sure in hell doesn't care who pulls. If an early pull happens, then a tank has got to get in there and snap agro. But it's just a good general rule of thumb to let the MT commence the countdown and pull. However, anyone can initiate a ready check; including said AST before casting Earthly Star.

The AST might not have intended to pull the boss, but he/she definitely was under the impression that the fight would start when nothing gave him or her any indication that it would. Unless the OP left these details out; or thought that by casting ES, it would prompt the MT to pull. Either way, a fault in judgment is still a fault. But the "You pull it, you tank it" mentality doesn't really help anyone here, including an AST trying to optimize their abilities.