Healer pulling?

[Gemina]

You'd probably just get left standing around for a few minutes extra watching them clear it. We're talking about a dungeon which everyone is overgeared by 30 ilvls now.

I can't even begin to count how many times I've died to a boss' cleave as a healer. We're talking the most recent alliance raid. Things are much more punishing in there opposed to 4-man dungeons. Even in BiS all slots, a healer is usually going to get one-shotted from the first cleave the boss uses. Even if put in critical HP, the ensuing auto attack will finish her off. I still remember when I was one-shotted in full Shire gear in the Anti-tower by Calcabrina's 'knockout' TB after pulling hate back before SB came out; a dungeon boss, in probably one of the most snore-fest dungeons to currently exist.

While I'm sure the OP still got the clear in there, that is not a reason to dismiss the concern. Nor is the fact that it is content outside of savage.

[hydralus]

I can't even begin to count how many times I've died to a boss' cleave as a healer. We're talking the most recent alliance raid. Things are much more punishing in there opposed to 4-man dungeons. Even in BiS all slots, a healer is usually going to get one-shotted from the first cleave the boss uses. Even if put in critical HP, the ensuing auto attack will finish her off. I still remember when I was one-shotted in full Shire gear in the Anti-tower by Calcabrina's 'knockout' TB after pulling hate back before SB came out; a dungeon boss, in probably one of the most snore-fest dungeons to currently exist.

While I'm sure the OP still got the clear in there, that is not a reason to dismiss the concern. Nor is the fact that it is content outside of savage.

I meant moreso that someone else will pick it up if they don't.

[Vidu]

...honestly under those circumstances its more a case of "tank NOT pulling (within a timely manner)" and not so much "Healer pulling".

Its obviously the tanks job to pull the boss, but the tank also has to do that job. Now, I cant tell wether or not its a good idea to put Earthly Star down at the beginning of a fight, but 20 seconds til it goes off are way than enough for the tank to engage the boss. There is nothing that annoys me more than tanks standing infront of a boss, but arent pulling (unless ofc there is some sort of reason, like someone said "brb").

The healer shouldnt have pulled the boss, because a tank should have done so way before Earthly Star went off.

[Alestorm]

"you spank it, you tank it" comes to mind.

[Nedkel]

No, and it is never good.
Healers even should try to avoid going near the tank when he is pulling, because it could trigger aggro when healer has regen skill casted on someone.

[Iscah]

Healers even should try to avoid going near the tank when he is pulling, because it could trigger aggro when healer has regen skill casted on someone.

As was explained earlier, regen/healing will draw aggro to you regardless of where you're standing. (Including MP/TP regen from AST's cards, if I remember correctly.)

So there are two elements to dealing with this:

1. Never cast Regen pre-emptively - wait until the tank has the attention of all enemies and their names have turned red. Same for healing spells. Or if you really need to heal them, be aware that any yellow-named enemies will be drawn away from the tank by it.

2. If there is a "leftover" regen still active from the previous fight, and the tank is approaching a new group of enemies... stay close to them! They will go for you as soon as the tank pulls them, so if you stay near the tank, the tank won't have to chase after the enemies when they go off in different direction to what was wxpected.

[Insertcoins]

Going on my own playthrus I just think people are WAY too in a hurry. In this case 20 sceonds is abit long to wait, but I've seen healers run into a boss room and INSTANSTLY start pulling while people are STILL running to the next boss. It's insane. Like if you don't have that much time to I dunno.. WAIT 10 seconds for everyone to get there.. then why the hell did you que? Why do people rush so much in this game. This isn't Sonic Rush :c

Edit. I'm NOT saying we need togo as slow as molassics or whatever either. But holy stuff, can people wait until everyone is actually ready before someone sonic wannable pulls the boss which wipes half the raid cause noone was in the circle? Like PLEASE.

[Vaer]

If a countdown is started or they are anticipating a pull before the star goes off, not a problem. It can be part of the AST opener depending on fight. Of course, it should be timed to go off sometime after the pull. Some fights like EX primals (Suz/Seiryu EX) have a raidwide shortly after the pull.

If they are using it to troll it would be fairly obvious but at that point they might as well just throw a combust or something for the same effect.

[HyoMinPark]

Is it okay for a healer to pull mobs in a raid/dungeon with an ability that heals and damages?

Last week, my FC & I were doing Orbonne. An AST set Earthly Star in the midst of a group of mobs before anyone had pulled. It eventually went off before the tanks pulled, causing the mobs to attack.

Being an AST main, I disagreed with the AST setting it before the fight began, since it could (and did) pull mobs before tanks were ready. My raid leader, also a healer main, said it was excusable, since it was in anticipation of healing a tank.

I’d like some opinions from other players of varying roles and raid experience. What is your opinion on the matter? No matter your stance, please try to be respectful of everyone else here. Thank you! ^.^

I play AST in generally all content outside of Savage (because I BRD for my group), and I disagree with what that AST did. It’s one thing to preplace a Star if a countdown has already started (to heal for any sort of raid AOE that comes out within the first 10~15 secs of a fight—I time mine in Seiryu Ex at -10 seconds left on the countdown so I don’t have to heal the first Fifth Element and can just continue to DPS, for example), but it’s another to just place it before there’s been a Ready Check/Countdown/any indication that a tank is ready to pull the mobs. That’s incorrect play.

I supposed it depends on how long they waited to place it. Meaning:
—Did they enter the room and immediately drop it?
—Did they wait about 20~30 seconds and then drop it when people had come into the room?
—Had a full minute or longer passed before they dropped it, and was there no indication that the tanks were willing to pull (i.e., all of them sitting in DPS stance waiting for another tank to put on tank stance)?

Yeah that's unnecessary - a tank shouldn't have taken enough damage on an initial pull to warrant earthly star anyway. That's a skill better used to cover group damage like aoes or things like Cid's cleansing strike. Sounds like just a showoff healer.

To be fair, most good ASTs use Earthly Star in their opener for the damage, even if there isn’t a raid-wide in the very beginning. You don’t want to end up losing a cast of it throughout any given fight. Sure, not all have raid-wides in the first 10~15 seconds, but it does still deal 200 potency under Giant Dominance (and, if this was trash, it’s 200 potency per mob with zero falloff). Earthly Star is something ASTs have to think about using if they want to get the most out of it in a fight—its timings are still something that I am working on myself, and I play it more than I play BRD now.

That being said, placing a Star before there’s any indication that a tank is about to pull (ready check, countdown, everyone’s within the room, etc.) is improper play and just impatience. I can only sympathize if everyone had been standing around in the room for a full minute and there was no indication of a pull coming up (tank stand-offs come to mind here)—and, at that point, if a healer isn’t going to pull after standing around for a full minute, a DPS will.

[Freyt]

I mean you got 20 seconds on that thing. Looks like you're talking about a trash mob room and not a boss room. Why did the group wait for so long?