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    Hysterior's Avatar
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    Larek Darkholme
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    Gilgamesh
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    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Kolsykol View Post
    Maybe this is an unpopular opinion, but I'd like to see less skill bloat...
    I don't think that there needs to be basically 58315159 buttons that do the same thing.
    Like just have Jolt 2 turn into Impact instead of them being separate buttons for example.

    Fleche and Contre Sixte could just be combined into one bigger hitting ability too.
    Having too many buttons to press unnecessarily for the sake of having more buttons just ends up feeling awkward imo.
    While I agree for some jobs (Hello Scholar), I don't agree for RDM. I don't really see what could be removed from RDM to keep that gameplay intact to be honest.
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    Larek Darkholme @ Ragnarok

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    Kalise Relanah
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    Cerberus
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    Gunbreaker Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Hysterior View Post
    While I agree for some jobs (Hello Scholar), I don't agree for RDM. I don't really see what could be removed from RDM to keep that gameplay intact to be honest.
    Jolt turns into Impact while under Impactful.

    Riposte > Zorro > Redoublement as you use each skill (Sort of like how PvP combo's work for melee jobs)

    Verthunder/Veraero > Verflare/Verholy after doing the enhanced melee combo.

    Corps-a-Corps > Displacement after use.

    That's 6 skills taken out with little to no impact on the job.

    Scrap Tether for a 7th skill.

    Roll Diversion into Embolden. For another skill removed.

    Maybe Lucid Dreaming into Manafication? Though this change would have some more notable effects on gameplay.

    But that's up to 9 buttons you've saved on RDM.
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    Ku Rando
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Kalise View Post
    snip.
    The only valid thing is Jolt II and Impact sharing, everything else isn't really necessary. PvP type combos are not coming to PvE, as confirmed by Yoshi, and players like to have Corps-a-Corps and Displacement seperate as it depends on the situation on when to use them. RDM doesn't have hotbar issues so not a big deal to change so much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurando View Post
    The only valid thing is Jolt II and Impact sharing, everything else isn't really necessary.
    Technically button reduction isn't necessary at all.

    It is however, a possibility.

    All the things I mentioned *Could* happen and would have minor impacts on gameplay.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurando View Post
    PvP type combos are not coming to PvE, as confirmed by Yoshi
    Genderlocked races are not coming to the game again. As confirmed by Yoshi.

    ...

    Oh wait!

    Blue Mage is not coming to XIV as confirmed by Yoshi.

    ...

    Oh wait!

    Also, the fact that RDM isn't like melee jobs and only uses its combo every so often rather than spamming it 24/7 as a filler suggests that they might be more easily given that sort of treatment compared to the melee jobs who would as a result spend a majority of their time just spamming a single button.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurando View Post
    players like to have Corps-a-Corps and Displacement seperate as it depends on the situation on when to use them.
    Okay...

    So make it CaC when at a distance and Displacement when in melee range.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurando View Post
    RDM doesn't have hotbar issues so not a big deal to change so much.
    I know, but just because it isn't such a "Big deal" to change much, doesn't mean it can't happen.

    I was really just pointing out to the above poster whom said they couldn't see what could be changed to reduce RDM's button usage. All those things *Could* be changed, if SE felt that they wanted to add in extra skills or wanted to prune ALL jobs button usage down to a minimum.
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    Jace Ossura
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    Goldsmith Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Kurando View Post
    The only valid thing is Jolt II and Impact sharing, everything else isn't really necessary. PvP type combos are not coming to PvE, as confirmed by Yoshi, and players like to have Corps-a-Corps and Displacement seperate as it depends on the situation on when to use them. RDM doesn't have hotbar issues so not a big deal to change so much.
    People change their minds.
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    Aelona Chillwind
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    Lich
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    Ninja Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Kalise View Post
    Jolt turns into Impact while under Impactful.

    Riposte > Zorro > Redoublement as you use each skill (Sort of like how PvP combo's work for melee jobs)

    Verthunder/Veraero > Verflare/Verholy after doing the enhanced melee combo.

    Corps-a-Corps > Displacement after use.

    That's 6 skills taken out with little to no impact on the job.

    Scrap Tether for a 7th skill.

    Roll Diversion into Embolden. For another skill removed.

    Maybe Lucid Dreaming into Manafication? Though this change would have some more notable effects on gameplay.

    But that's up to 9 buttons you've saved on RDM.
    I think that stuff like Corps-a-Corps and Displacement should be separate tho, because they do have some situational utility.

    I am not saying that stuff like that should be combined, but Jolt 2 and Impact have no separate situational utility.
    So I see no reason as to why they shouldn't be combined.
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