Shadowbringers RDM Wishlist

[Mansion]

It's not so much for the purpose of replacing Jolt/Impact, but more for the sake of cleaning up your procs before going into your melee combo. A 30s DoT wouldn't lend itself very well to that purpose, imo.

Why would you clean up a proc in the first place ?! You never lose use of one or two procs going into melee. the worst that can happen is refreshing a proc by VerHoly / VerFlare and that's not a big DPS loss.
Now 600 potency sure is sexy, but that's far too much, given that VerHoly / VerFlare are 600 potency, and you get them roughly every 30 to 45 seconds. Adding a secong burst of 600 potency in that window is far too much.
I think RDM has good proc management already.


My QoL tweaks :
Impact replaces Jolt II when it procs.
As it has no positionals, the whole melee combo could be PvP like, reduced to one button. (But as an option, so that players can choose between 3 buttons or one).
Reduce Displacement from 15 yalms to 10 yalms.
Three Enchanted Moulinets refresh Contre de Sixte's timer (there is your AOE finisher, make it a trait that comes level 56 with Contre de Sixte)
Corps à corps : Additional effect "Next three Spells or Weapon skills each recover 5% of your MP"

[Archwizard]

My QoL tweaks :
Impact replaces Jolt II when it procs.
As it has no positionals, the whole melee combo could be PvP like, reduced to one button. (But as an option, so that players can choose between 3 buttons or one).
Reduce Displacement from 15 yalms to 10 yalms.
Three Enchanted Moulinets refresh Contre de Sixte's timer (there is your AOE finisher, make it a trait that comes level 56 with Contre de Sixte)
Corps à corps : Additional effect "Next three Spells or Weapon skills each recover 5% of your MP"

If I can make a few adjustments to your suggestion,

• In addition to Impact and the melee combo: Verfire replaces Verthunder when it procs, Verflare replaces both; Verstone replaces Veraero when it procs, Verholy replaces both.
• Instead of reducing the distance of Displacement or adding rotation-enhancing effects to Corps-a-Corps, just remove the damage from each so you're not compelled to use them on cooldown and can use them as-needed for movement, and displace the lost damage onto the melee combo.
  (I suggest adding some type of CC effect to each instead, so it's useful in dungeons or the overworld and neutral in endgame content.)
• Add a trait to have each Enchanted Moulinet reduce the cooldown of Contre Sixte by a set amount, and to have Verfinishers reduce the cooldown of Manafication as well.
  (This way you always get the same amount of benefit each cast.)
• Either add a trait for a combo'd Redoublement to restore MP, a trait to passively double our base MP regeneration, or a new rotational spell that restores MP as a side effect.

It's not so much for the purpose of replacing Jolt/Impact, but more for the sake of cleaning up your procs before going into your melee combo. A 30s DoT wouldn't lend itself very well to that purpose, imo.

As I said though, you'd just use Acceleration to pop such a powerful ability as often as possible rather than situationally.

I don't see how much of a difference it makes compared to just using the proc before going into your combo, and using Acceleration on your Verfinisher if you ended up balancing/capping your mana before the combo.

[Mansion]

In addition to Impact and the melee combo: Verfire replaces Verthunder when it procs, Verflare replaces both; Verstone replaces Veraero when it procs, Verholy replaces both.

If I have both procs up, and I use VerStone to dualcast VerThunder, your solution prevents me to do so: I would dualcast VerFire. We can keep a slot for VerStone and VerFire (and Red Mage does not really suffer that much from button bloat yet). Impact having a separate button is weird because there's no reason to use Jolt II when Impact is up.
Although, VerHoly and VerFlare can replace VerAero and VerThunder.


Corps à corps and Displacement are around 4% of our DPS. That's not a lot, but I would not get rid of the potency of these. At least not Corp à corps, because this one never kills you (on purpose at least!). They fit well in the rotation, the Manafication proc is good too. I really thing we should just have Displacement range reduced.

I'd be carefull with the Manafication CD reduction, simply because it's conveniently alligned on Embolden. So in any case (greedy embolden or raid embolden), you can fit a melee combo in there each time. I like them paired up that way.

Agree on the rest

[Seraph522]

Corps à corps and Displacement are around 4% of our DPS. That's not a lot, but I would not get rid of the potency of these. At least not Corp à corps, because this one never kills you (on purpose at least!). They fit well in the rotation, the Manafication proc is good too. I really thing we should just have Displacement range reduced.

Honestly, I'd like to see Displacement's potency removed and added to Corps-a-Corps, so we don't suffer a potency loss, and then just turn Displacement into a clone of DRG's Elusive Jump with the distance reduction Archwizard suggested; an additional aggro dump ability would let us reserve Lucid solely for MP regen, which we generally need more than the other Caster DPS classes.

[Archwizard]

If I have both procs up, and I use VerStone to dualcast VerThunder, your solution prevents me to do so: I would dualcast VerFire.

If you have both procs up anyway, I don't really see what the problem is - you could still dualcast Verstone into Veraero, and Verfire into Verthunder, each of which would lower the risk of refreshing a proc at a DPS loss anyway.

Corps à corps and Displacement are around 4% of our DPS. That's not a lot, but I would not get rid of the potency of these. At least not Corp à corps, because this one never kills you (on purpose at least!). They fit well in the rotation, the Manafication proc is good too. I really thing we should just have Displacement range reduced.

That's the problem though - they're part of the rotation. As movement tools, they should be used as-needed, not tapped on-cooldown for the bonus oGCD damage, especially in small arenas or other cases where you have incentive to avoid moving. You're even advocating to nerf Displacement's primary purpose as a distancing tool in favor of keeping it in the rotation for damage you yourself maintain is low.

Besides, I've seen Corps-a-Corps kill before - using it on cooldown can lead to pulling yourself in right before an AoE if poorly timed...

Honestly, I'd like to see Displacement's potency removed and added to Corps-a-Corps, so we don't suffer a potency loss, and then just turn Displacement into a clone of DRG's Elusive Jump with the distance reduction Archwizard suggested; an additional aggro dump ability would let us reserve Lucid solely for MP regen, which we generally need more than the other Caster DPS classes.

(Mansion was the one who suggested the distance reduction. On the other hand though, I wouldn't be entirely against reducing the distance it can toss you... if you could use it from a further distance as well, and/or it maybe had a Heavy effect attached so it takes as long for overworld enemies to reach you.)

I like the idea of Displacement containing an aggro dump, but I maintain that the damage from both movement tools should be shifted onto our melee combo.

[Rongway]

If you have both procs up anyway, I don't really see what the problem is - you could still dualcast Verstone into Veraero, and Verfire into Verthunder, each of which would lower the risk of refreshing a proc at a DPS loss anyway.

If you're at 79|89 with both Verstone ready and Verfire ready, the appropriate Dualcast is Verstone-Verthunder, so you don't end up at 99|89 with Verfire ready, which would waste a guaranteed proc since the alternative is imbalance.

[Kabooa]

If you're at 79|89 with both Verstone ready and Verfire ready, the appropriate Dualcast is Verstone-Verthunder, so you don't end up at 99|89 with Verfire ready, which would waste a guaranteed proc since the alternative is imbalance.

Uh, this result seems suspect. Did you mean Ver Aero?

[Mansion]

If you have both procs up anyway, I don't really see what the problem is - you could still dualcast Verstone into Veraero, and Verfire into Verthunder, each of which would lower the risk of refreshing a proc at a DPS loss anyway.

I'm picky. But let's say in that scenario that dualcasting VerThunder after VerFire would overcharge my black mana... you see what I mean, I want to have the option to dualcast VerAero.
I think we can keep these four spells as single buttons. Or make it so that when you dualcast, it switches back to spells you want tou dualcast (namely Aero and Thunder), but that would be ridiculously over assisting us haha.

[Seraph522]

(Mansion was the one who suggested the distance reduction. On the other hand though, I wouldn't be entirely against reducing the distance it can toss you... if you could use it from a further distance as well, and/or it maybe had a Heavy effect attached so it takes as long for overworld enemies to reach you.)

I like the idea of Displacement containing an aggro dump, but I maintain that the damage from both movement tools should be shifted onto our melee combo.

Oops... well, credit to Mansion, then, and my apologies for missing that. >D

I'd be fine with transferring all potency over to the melee combo as well, but I also don't mind potency on Corps-a-Corps, as there's little downside to using it on cooldown in most situations; either would work for me.