Shadowbringers RDM Wishlist

[Lauront]

The main concern with RDM's current utility is that, ideally, it should never need to be deployed. Verraise is great for progression and random Duty Finders (where people have no choice but to suffer you for at least 15 minutes), but has no role in a group that knows what it's doing because nobody should be dying.

And that is part of the issue with it at the moment - it pays a substantial dps tax for utility that is mostly relevant under suboptimal play/progression. It's also not utility that SMN doesn't bring in some fashion, but SMN obviously can't dispense resses as often - nor should one need to unless the group is particularly bad.

[Jonnycbad]

Verflood and Verfreeze as aoe finishers after 3 consecutive moulinets.

Verwater=Vercure and Verblizzard=Fleche, but having casted water/ice spells would be cool.

Also to the OP, Chainspell isn't a good name because Dual Cast is called Chainspell in Japanese.

How about a trait that allows our melee combo to restore MP when "Enhanced", like each hit is akin to a Siphon Strike/Riot Blade.

Scatter needs to be upgraded at 71 to a different spell with 180 potency or something, call it Meltdown or Ardor. RDM doesn't have Astral Fire stacks, so 150-200 potency isn't very much damage, and BLM has Fire II/Flare.

A DoT for RDM that would be cool would be Putrid Slash, owing to Mystic Knight/Red Mage from FF5/FF Dimensions respectively.

https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki...e_(Dimensions)

[Lauront]

Fleche is just concentrated, unaspected aether, to my knowledge.

[Jonnycbad]

If you look at the animation in gpose when it hits the target, you can see a blue wind and ice particle effects not to mention the blades look exactly like Shiva's true ice i115 weapons. Vercure is definitely water because it's the only spell with a blue aura around our feet when we cast (other healer cures are wind, but veraero and vercure are different aura)

[Jonnycbad]

Scatter is Unaspected but if you gpose the animation, you can clearly see a red flame and lightning, it's likely (lore wise) a multiaspected spell that combined those two elements

[Archwizard]

If you look at the animation in gpose when it hits the target, you can see a blue wind and ice particle effects not to mention the blades look exactly like Shiva's true ice i115 weapons. Vercure is definitely water because it's the only spell with a blue aura around our feet when we cast (other healer cures are wind, but veraero and vercure are different aura)

Scatter is Unaspected but if you gpose the animation, you can clearly see a red flame and lightning, it's likely (lore wise) a multiaspected spell that combined those two elements

Honestly, I don't really find that indicative of anything.

For starters, there seems to be consistent particle effects between the cast animations of a RDM's aspected spells -- elementally-colored aether rising from the ground at the caster's feet -- which are shared with BLM and WHM.
Thing is, instead of using the same "rising" particle shapes as those, Vercure and Fleche create differing swirling effects around the user.

Meanwhile, a BLM's Flare, for instance, has a rainbow effect -- much like the RDM's Jolt, Impact and yes, Scatter -- indicating it's a multi-aspected spell instead of, in actuality, a Fire spell.

Furthermore, and to be completely blunt, Fleche/Contre Sixte deal unaspected physical damage rather than Ice damage. They don't even benefit from our own Embolden.

What that tells me isn't that the devs cleverly concealed Verwater and Verblizzard in a RDM's animations, or that Scatter is secretly Black Magic. It tells me they reused assets, they color and animate spells how they want, and wanted to make clear to RDMs that Vercure was White Magic with a blue-white effect rather than just copying Cure's animation.

[Jonnycbad]

Veraero


Vercure


Opening frames of Fleche

Compare the "crystal" particle effects of Fleche to the shiva weapon's particle effects below


Hit animation of Fleche

Notice the wind/mist around the target? Sort of resembles:

Furthermore, and to be completely blunt, Fleche/Contre Sixte deal unaspected physical damage rather than Ice damage. They don't even benefit from our own Embolden.

That's because they didn't intend for Fleche/Contre Sixte to be buffed by Embolden, not because they didn't want it to have an elemental property.

Flamethrower deals unaspected physical damage, Gauss Round deals physical damage despite its lightning animation, Yukikaze deals physical damage despite the ice animation. Things can be unaspected from a gameplay perspective, but lore/animation wise appear to be elemental. Gameplay wise I admit Fleche is piercing unaspected, but from a lore perspective, I am convinced it is an ice attack, because they probably decided they didn't need to make 6 Ver-spells and made their Ver-cure a Heal and their Verblizzard an oGCD, that way all 6 elements are represented as RDM.

[Archwizard]

Yes, thank you, you just proved my point that the animations of Vercure and Fleche do not match the other Verelemental spells whatsoever, they just have effects colored in the cool spectrum.

A BLM's ice spells have white versions of the same particles used by Veraero and earthy blue sparkles like those coming off of the weapon shown, not teal as in Fleche's animation; and the same strike animation is used for several Light-based effects throughout the game. In the absence of actual Ice damage, I will have to agree with the consensus they're made of crystallized aether, not necessarily ice crystals, and much like Alisaie's rapier, reuse assets from Shiva to depict crystal weapons.

Either the animators are consistent as you say and the particle effects disprove what you're saying, or they're inconsistent and you're reading into it.

In either case, it still wouldn't preclude us getting an Ice or Water spell.

[Wayfinder3]

Vercure's animation is more in line with Cure and Cure 2. Fleche is just Sword magic that takes a crystal form.

[Acelyn]

why don't they just leave it alone?

honest question, rdm and sam and maybe even bard(honestly a few OG jobs)seem to be in great places so why change them for the sake of change? rdm could "maybe" use an aoe finisher/statement spell but thats really it, reading about giving it a DoT addon and such really sounds strange. Why are people so bent on making every job uselessly complex? is it really so insulting to include simple classes? I'm as hyped as anyone for the new expansion but if i login and see rdm busted cause it'll look good for the number of changes then i'll have flashbacks to HW bard(which is fine now, I meant bowmage bard) and SB summoner, my former 2 jobs that both got gimped up for changes sake. at this point just leave em be and bring in all new jobs to tweak for a few yrs.