loot system for 24 man should use tokens in Shadowbringers

[Beckett]

It might help if the game kept track of what jobs are in your party. It's pretty annoying when half of the chests you open has Ninja gear in it but nobody in your group plays Ninja

This was a big reason why they tried the Greed-only experiment in the first place. Just because you're not doing the 24-man as your Ninja doesn't necessarily mean that you don't want the Ninja gear. Maybe you went tank for faster queues, maybe your NIN doesn't meat the minimum ilevel. Whatever the case, there will be situations where players will want to roll on gear that isn't for their current job.

On the other hand, holy crap if a NIN belt already hit the floor once, don't give us another NIN belt on the next boss!

[ElazulHP]

People have been asking for a token system since at least 2.0 that i'm aware of. I'd personally love to see one. Though I have the feeling us running the same piece of content over and over again until we get the exact drop we want and roll high enough to beat everyone else is exactly what the developers want so as to see the content played as much as possible.

[Sheriyana]

I totally agree that we need tokens for the 24 mans, especially with the relatively recent changes of being able to upgrade crafted gear, the upgraded crafted combined with tome gear makes the 24 man gear pretty much pointless outside of glamour. Or maybe that's just me, I know I will definitely choose paying a couple hundred thousand gil and some tomes to get a piece of i390 gear over farming weekly locked 24 man raid for specific gear pieces that could take dozens of runs to get one item. I did that 24 man gear farming back in 2.5 with WoD and have never bothered again, I'll do my weekly run and take whatever I can and that's it for the week, unless I really want some piece for glamour.

[InkstainedGwyn]

I just want to eventually be able to buy the TT cards, music, and minions with the coins. I have more coins than I'll ever need to upgrade gear, but my friend hasn't been able to win Construct 8 or Ramza yet, and we ran Lighthouse nonstop and have been running Orbonne daily since it dropped.

[Katie_Kitty]

Assuming every piece of gear takes only ONE token then fine, but I am strongly against any changes that mean you must grind the same raid multiple times just to get one piece of gear especially if you only get a single token per week like in savage raids. 24-man gear is not generally even that good and something like that would be completely ridiculous. Personally I don't see anything wrong with the current system and don't agree that it needs to be changed in the first place.

[Xlantaa]

There is a reason to not do it. If you automatically give a token at the end, people will run it 1 time only the reset day, and never enter again till next week, causing queues being too long at the end of the week.

[Ilan]

Token system = set amount of time until everyone has the drop that he/she wants = content dies faster. Not gonna happen.

[Kaedan]

Token system = set amount of time until everyone has the drop that he/she wants = content dies faster. Not gonna happen.

That's not really true. Because you're limited to 1 piece of gear a week, all a token system does is reduce the number of times you have to run it. You would still earn gear at the same rate (or even slower if they did 1 week for minor pieces and 2 weeks for major pieces).

[SummonerSenah]

This was a big reason why they tried the Greed-only experiment in the first place. Just because you're not doing the 24-man as your Ninja doesn't necessarily mean that you don't want the Ninja gear. Maybe you went tank for faster queues, maybe your NIN doesn't meat the minimum ilevel. Whatever the case, there will be situations where players will want to roll on gear that isn't for their current job.

Tank queues for the 24 mans are awful, actually. You get faster queues as a dps. But that, along with what you described, are exactly why a token system would work better. Want to grab glamour gear or upgrades for your tank but don't want to be in queue for half an hour? Run on your geared dps or healer, get a token that you can use for tank gear. Or in the situation you described, run on your job that meets the minimum ilvl, but use the token you get to trade in for ninja gear.

It's still valid gear if you don't want to spend the gil.

And if you do try to get the gear, it can easily lock you out of other content as you spend the entire week just running the raid over and over, passing on the same items again and again. Not leaving time for anything else.

Yes, you get it. That's actually partially what prompted me to write this. I really want the tank gear for glamour but between the tank queues being awful and then there being a good chance tank gear won't even drop, I just feel like my time is better spent doing anything else. The fact that the gear drops are set up the way they are actually is discouraging me from running it more than once a week, not encouraging me to run it multiple times.

[Ilan]

That's not really true. Because you're limited to 1 piece of gear a week, all a token system does is reduce the number of times you have to run it. You would still earn gear at the same rate (or even slower if they did 1 week for minor pieces and 2 weeks for major pieces).

So everyone has to run the content just once a week to get the token and not several times to get the loot they want? Yeah looks that i'm wrong and the content will be longer alive then ever.