loot system for 24 man should use tokens in Shadowbringers

[CaptainLagbeard]

24man loot has become completely irrelevant apart from glamour since we got augmentations for crafted gear.

This has started in 4.3 and will likely continue - basically you can have a full set of gear equivalent in ilvl to what 24man gives you on day one of an odd-numbered patch (equal to tomestone, 10 behind augmented tomestone/raid)

About the only thing relevant from 24man is the weekly token for gear upgrades ... so if they really want to do something about people not giving a single care about 24man, let them fix what it drops before they fix how it drops.

It's still valid gear if you don't want to spend the gil.

And if you do try to get the gear, it can easily lock you out of other content as you spend the entire week just running the raid over and over, passing on the same items again and again. Not leaving time for anything else.

[Katie_Kitty]

Assuming every piece of gear takes only ONE token then fine, but I am strongly against any changes that mean you must grind the same raid multiple times just to get one piece of gear especially if you only get a single token per week like in savage raids. 24-man gear is not generally even that good and something like that would be completely ridiculous. Personally I don't see anything wrong with the current system and don't agree that it needs to be changed in the first place.

[SummonerSenah]

This was a big reason why they tried the Greed-only experiment in the first place. Just because you're not doing the 24-man as your Ninja doesn't necessarily mean that you don't want the Ninja gear. Maybe you went tank for faster queues, maybe your NIN doesn't meat the minimum ilevel. Whatever the case, there will be situations where players will want to roll on gear that isn't for their current job.

Tank queues for the 24 mans are awful, actually. You get faster queues as a dps. But that, along with what you described, are exactly why a token system would work better. Want to grab glamour gear or upgrades for your tank but don't want to be in queue for half an hour? Run on your geared dps or healer, get a token that you can use for tank gear. Or in the situation you described, run on your job that meets the minimum ilvl, but use the token you get to trade in for ninja gear.

It's still valid gear if you don't want to spend the gil.

And if you do try to get the gear, it can easily lock you out of other content as you spend the entire week just running the raid over and over, passing on the same items again and again. Not leaving time for anything else.

Yes, you get it. That's actually partially what prompted me to write this. I really want the tank gear for glamour but between the tank queues being awful and then there being a good chance tank gear won't even drop, I just feel like my time is better spent doing anything else. The fact that the gear drops are set up the way they are actually is discouraging me from running it more than once a week, not encouraging me to run it multiple times.

[Kaedan]

24man loot has become completely irrelevant apart from glamour since we got augmentations for crafted gear.

This has started in 4.3 and will likely continue - basically you can have a full set of gear equivalent in ilvl to what 24man gives you on day one of an odd-numbered patch (equal to tomestone, 10 behind augmented tomestone/raid)

About the only thing relevant from 24man is the weekly token for gear upgrades ... so if they really want to do something about people not giving a single care about 24man, let them fix what it drops before they fix how it drops.

Yeah, but token gear is pretty limited, due to the limitation on tokens. Orbonne gear is still quite useful for alts, as is the 380 gear from Alphascape. It's only really obsoleted for your main (since by now, most people who care have a full set of token gear/savage for their main). Sure, people with lots of time on their hands maybe have an alt in Scaevan gear, but the 380 and 390 certainly isn't "obsolete".

[St0rmchild]

Yeah, but token gear is pretty limited, due to the limitation on tokens. Orbonne gear is still quite useful for alts, as is the 380 gear from Alphascape. It's only really obsoleted for your main (since by now, most people who care have a full set of token gear/savage for their main). Sure, people with lots of time on their hands maybe have an alt in Scaevan gear, but the 380 and 390 certainly isn't "obsolete".

To clarify: I'm talking ab out CRAFTED gear. Yes the "limited tomstone gear" accrues at the same rate as your 24man gear - roughly a piece a week (plus the tome gear has accessories and a weapon option, neither of which is true for 24man - and to furth put the boot in, the tomestone gear upgrades to better than the 24man gear as well) ... bu if you had a set of 380 crafted from 4.4, it takes ~3500 mendacity (ytes, mendacity, the ones you can get unlimited amounts of) to upgrade it to i390 .. .which is the same ilvl as tghe basic tomestone gear -- and the Orbonne drops.

Furthermore, you don't even need to spend money on HQ gear on market board either, you can buy up the NQ's nobody wants and convert them to Rakshasa Tokens in Rhalgr's Reach, add your Doman Reiyaku's you buy for your mendacity and buy HQ Yama (i390) gear. Double bonus. No 24man salt required, just a quick in prog run for that sweet lasst boss for the coin.

Again - if they want to fix the rewards from 24man, let them start with what they drop from it, rather than how it drops.

[InkstainedGwyn]

To clarify: I'm talking ab out CRAFTED gear. Yes the "limited tomstone gear" accrues at the same rate as your 24man gear - roughly a piece a week (plus the tome gear has accessories and a weapon option, neither of which is true for 24man - and to furth put the boot in, the tomestone gear upgrades to better than the 24man gear as well) ... bu if you had a set of 380 crafted from 4.4, it takes ~3500 mendacity (ytes, mendacity, the ones you can get unlimited amounts of) to upgrade it to i390 .. .which is the same ilvl as tghe basic tomestone gear -- and the Orbonne drops.

Furthermore, you don't even need to spend money on HQ gear on market board either, you can buy up the NQ's nobody wants and convert them to Rakshasa Tokens in Rhalgr's Reach, add your Doman Reiyaku's you buy for your mendacity and buy HQ Yama (i390) gear. Double bonus. No 24man salt required, just a quick in prog run for that sweet lasst boss for the coin.

Again - if they want to fix the rewards from 24man, let them start with what they drop from it, rather than how it drops.

I would certainly rather jump into Orbonne a few times a week rather than spend all of the time required to craft and gather that stuff. I'm perfectly ok with there being several ways - crafting, raids, etc - to get the same ilvl gear. That only makes it "obsolete" if you choose to do the other option. And even then, the crafted gear may not be your class's BiS.

Honestly I think the same number of drops, but piece tokens would be better. Sure, it would cut down on some runs, but not totally - if two belt tokens drop and nobody needs a belt then that's still something that's going to go unclaimed. And there would be competition for all pieces - but there would still be fewer unclaimed pieces instead of "I've seen the healer top drop 20 times but never the caster."

[Rasler_Heios]

Maybe add the option to use the current guaranteed drops (such as the coins from the Return to ivalice series) to allow you to buy the gears from a vendor. So in case you don’t get any from the chests, you can can collect coins. After several runs and coins you get the option to buy the gear you want.

[Laerune]

Maybe add the option to use the current guaranteed drops (such as the coins from the Return to ivalice series) to allow you to buy the gears from a vendor. So in case you don’t get any from the chests, you can can collect coins. After several runs and coins you get the option to buy the gear you want.

This, I want this to be added to raids.

If the player does not loot an item, they get one at the end of the chest.

[Metalwrath]

If anything it should be removed from 8 man.Not added to other content.
This kind of system that goes against everything about MMORPG drops.
The whole point is that everyone isnt supposed to be able to just casually get the gear they want like that.The whole system of trading in item x to get guranteed item you want just makes me cringe.
People want things too easy these days in games and implementing systems like this is giving in to those newer gamers.
You eliminate the concept of rare gear this way.

[Kuroka]

You eliminate the concept of rare gear this way.

LOOOOOL

Gear is unimportant throw away trash here, besides ultimates weapons which are just shiny everything else is basically worhtless or smt even dead on arrival (anemos stuff for example).