What if DNC is SHOMHOW a DPS?

[Vespar]

You're right he didn't say it was a healer, I am mistaken. However, SE decided GNB should be a tank because there are 3 tanks and 4 melee DPS. Conversely, if that's the case, it would also make sense that because there are 3 healers and 5 ranged DPS, the second new job would be a healer. Also, we just got 2 DPS last Expansion.

Technically there are more branches/types of jobs than people seem to care about. Yes there are more DPS than tanks and heals for good reason, but they are broken down into smaller types. (New jobs in brackets)

Tanks: PLD, DRK, WAR, [GUN]
Heals: WHM, AST, SCH
Melee DPS: NIN, SAM, MNK, DRG
Physical Ranged DPS: MCH, BRD
Caster DPS: BLM, RDM, SMN, [BLU]

So really if anything... Physical ranged DPS deserve the love. Not heals, tanks, etc lol
But whatever, it really doesnt matter. We can argue what DNC is going to be until the last fanfest XD
I dont mind either way, it can be a tank for all I care... I just want to play it

[NorthernLadMSP]

Technically there are more branches/types of jobs than people seem to care about. Yes there are more DPS than tanks and heals for good reason, but they are broken down into smaller types. (New jobs in brackets)

Tanks: PLD, DRK, WAR, [GUN]
Heals: WHM, AST, SCH
Melee DPS: NIN, SAM, MNK, DRG
Physical Ranged DPS: MCH, BRD
Caster DPS: BLM, RDM, SMN, [BLU]

So really if anything... Physical ranged DPS deserve the love. Not heals, tanks, etc lol
But whatever, it really doesnt matter. We can argue what DNC is going to be until the last fanfest XD
I dont mind either way, it can be a tank for all I care... I just want to play it

No. There are three roles in this game - tank, healer and DPS. That is a fact. People claiming DPS need more love because they choose to break DPS down into "ooh but there's ranged physical and ranged magic, blah blah blah," are kidding themselves.

[Drakkaelus]

Technically there are more branches/types of jobs than people seem to care about. Yes there are more DPS than tanks and heals for good reason, but they are broken down into smaller types. (New jobs in brackets)

Tanks: PLD, DRK, WAR, [GUN]
Heals: WHM, AST, SCH
Melee DPS: NIN, SAM, MNK, DRG
Physical Ranged DPS: MCH, BRD
Caster DPS: BLM, RDM, SMN, [BLU]

So really if anything... Physical ranged DPS deserve the love. Not heals, tanks, etc lol
But whatever, it really doesnt matter. We can argue what DNC is going to be until the last fanfest XD
I dont mind either way, it can be a tank for all I care... I just want to play it

People need to stop with this. This isn't the kind of game where the type of damage you deal is at all relevant. Nobody pretends that WAR and PLD are different roles just because one of them has a shield and a bunch of magic spells, so why are we suddenly trying to spin this to make it seem like DPS jobs are lacking and need even more attention than they already get?

[Burningskull]

People need to stop with this. This isn't the kind of game where the type of damage you deal is at all relevant. Nobody pretends that WAR and PLD are different roles just because one of them has a shield and a bunch of magic spells, so why are we suddenly trying to spin this to make it seem like DPS jobs are lacking and need even more attention than they already get?

No. There are three roles in this game - tank, healer and DPS. That is a fact. People claiming DPS need more love because they choose to break DPS down into "ooh but there's ranged physical and ranged magic, blah blah blah," are kidding themselves.

I think it's because the game does this... PLD and WAR are not "Magic Tank and Melee Tank." They are all Melee. The code of the game also breaks down the DPS jobs into Melee, Ranged, and Caster by way of not only gear, but also how the DF matches people. Also the way the limit gauge works. If you have more than one of a job your limit gauge fills slower.

Also if they suddenly did make PLD a "Magic" tank... and left the other 3 "Melee" tanks you can bet people would then be saying, "We have 3 melee tanks and 1 magic tank. We need more magic tanks to round it out." Tho if they made PLD a magic tank they might as well make DRK a magic tank... not that they ever will lol.

[kikix12]

Also if they suddenly did make PLD a "Magic" tank... and left the other 3 "Melee" tanks you can bet people would then be saying, "We have 3 melee tanks and 1 magic tank. We need more magic tanks to round it out." Tho if they made PLD a magic tank they might as well make DRK a magic tank... not that they ever will lol.

Neither Paladin nor Dark Knight are magic knights. The brunt of their attacks are still physical and the stat for damage is still strength. Their armors are still physical as well.

A spell or three does not make one a caster, just like melee attacks don't make Red Mage a melee DPS.

If they did rework Paladin into an actual magic tank with brunt of their attack being magical...that would be a different thing. But that's unlikely. It's another class entirely, a Magic Knight. For Paladins magic was always secondary.


And yes, people would want more caster tanks. But how is that different from now?! I still want caster tanks (despite there being none) and I want non-caster healers. That's only natural. I use all three roles preferring healing over the others. But I don't have much of a variety of gameplay styles to choose from with healers or tanks. Sure, the healers and tanks we have currently are a bit more distinct from each other than DPS, but their overall playstyle is not really different at all.

[Risvertasashi]

Neither Paladin nor Dark Knight are magic knights. The brunt of their attacks are still physical and the stat for damage is still strength. Their armors are still physical as well.

They are magic knights.

It sounds like you want a full on caster tank, which is understandable. But Paladin and Dark Knight are the very images of magic knights.

[kikix12]

They are magic knights.

It sounds like you want a full on caster tank, which is understandable. But Paladin and Dark Knight are the very images of magic knights.

Eh...no. They are knights with a little bit of supplementary magic. Lore-wise Dark Knight does not even use magic AT ALL. He uses the darkness that dwells within him.

As I said, Paladins are as much magic knights as this iteration of Red Mage is a melee job. A proper magic knight would use magic-enchanted sword to deal damage with possibly using spells straight out here or there (Rune Fencer/Spellblade etc.).

Yes, I want a straight out caster tank. But that does have little to do with how Paladins in this game are not magic knights.

[InkstainedGwyn]

Eh...no. They are knights with a little bit of supplementary magic. Lore-wise Dark Knight does not even use magic AT ALL. He uses the darkness that dwells within him.

As I said, Paladins are as much magic knights as this iteration of Red Mage is a melee job. A proper magic knight would use magic-enchanted sword to deal damage with possibly using spells straight out here or there (Rune Fencer/Spellblade etc.).

Yes, I want a straight out caster tank. But that does have little to do with how Paladins in this game are not magic knights.

Agreed. Caster tanks aren't "tin cans that can use some magical protections", caster tanks are actual casters (usually in light armour) who rely on int/dex and spells to protect them. SWtOR did caster tanks right with shadows/assassins.

I think it'd be fun to see what XIV could do with that, if they decided to break the mold. Maybe GUN is a step towards it, if they wear medium armour. We'll see, I guess (I'm not expecting much, but it looks fun enough to try.)

[LalaRu]

...full on caster tank...

That may be interesting. Hit, aggro, damage reduction, and cc all done on (very short range?) casting magic.
For a new tank class, it is really interesting.

[Gemina]

I think it's because the game does this... PLD and WAR are not "Magic Tank and Melee Tank." They are all Melee. The code of the game also breaks down the DPS jobs into Melee, Ranged, and Caster by way of not only gear, but also how the DF matches people. Also the way the limit gauge works. If you have more than one of a job your limit gauge fills slower.

Also if they suddenly did make PLD a "Magic" tank... and left the other 3 "Melee" tanks you can bet people would then be saying, "We have 3 melee tanks and 1 magic tank. We need more magic tanks to round it out." Tho if they made PLD a magic tank they might as well make DRK a magic tank... not that they ever will lol.

I'm as Even Steven as they come, but this "imbalance" I'm seeing tossed around is ridiculous. If there is an imbalance, it's that healers and tanks have fewer choices than DPS overall. You literally have the choice to go melee physical, ranged, or magical, and have multiple choices within each of those sub roles.

You pointed it out yourself; we don't have a magic (I'm guessing caster type) tank and a melee tank. We also don't have a melee healer either. What about this imbalance? Shouldn't you guys be pushing for these as well? I guess we're going to need four magic tanks now with the addition of GUN; and if DNC comes in as our first hybrid healer, we're going to need more of them too for the sake of rounding things out. Go ahead, and tell me I'm being ridiculous.